Comments on: Spider Smiles https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/ Mon, 18 Jul 2011 02:56:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: palemoon305 https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-23051 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 02:56:47 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-23051 Thanks for writing about this, Miss Baggs (I’m sorry for being so stiff and formal, but I don’t feel that I know you well enough to call you by your first name).

I’ve had the same experiences in psychiatric hospitals. They ignored me when I had severe and painful reactions to medication, and I find it very interesting that they finally did something when my parents were visiting and watching. They thought nothing of just walking into our rooms, so patients all went into the bathroom to change clothes. If you got upset, you had two “choices”: Take meds or have them forced into you. Not to mention being “body-searched,” where a female staff member just comes up to you and puts their hands up your shirt and down your pants.

But I completely what you meant about the most disturbing thing: Their power. Other people you can remove yourself from without consequence. These people control your food, clothing, shelter, and bodily integrity. And they’re the “healthy, full people” while you’re the “sick, half person,” so their opinion is automatically more right. They can say what they want anytime, while you are forced to pick and choose your words carefully to avoid “sending the wrong message.”

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By: Pancho https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-23042 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:41:39 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-23042 Congratulations with that. Hopefully this new person is that sort of person that can keep her opinions and work separate, though I can see how the unprovoked monologues could be REALLY uncomfortable.

I have to admit I reacted more like Book Girl said she did than actually being angry, I just wanted to be angry. But I’m glad you were able to stand up for yourself here.

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By: Amanda https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-23040 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:52:21 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-23040 I finally put my foot down and banned her, because I was avoiding getting certain things done because she’d be the one to have to do them and I wasn’t comfortable with that. Now to see if they’ll actually stop sending her or not. Unfortunately, the first person they sent in her stead seemed prone to long, unprovoked monologues on how anyone who didn’t immediately euthanize their cat upon discovery of just about any illness was selfish and cruel. (I did not explain to her that Fey has a painful nerve condition, for obvious reasons. There are times when I’m just not up for a fight. And Fey clearly loves being alive. If I were feeling up for more fighting than I was comfortable with at that moment, I’d have sent her a link to Mini-feline-ethics post: the power of life and death.) But at least she got the work done without being invasive… just happened to make it sound like I was a horrible person for not killing my cat the moment her health wasn’t perfect. GAH. (And I’m not saying this in a strawman sense, the examples she gave were seriously not conditions that warrant euthanasia even to the average person’s standards let alone mine.)

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By: ther1 https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-23025 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 23:21:58 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-23025 I generally do not require the use of staff to assist myself. In some ways I’ve been lucky-my mom is a psychiatrist, so she has been able to recognize and steer me away from ripoff artists like your spider lady. At one point, when I had a psychotic outbreak, my staff were discussing putting me in a school for delinquents. Mom wisely turned down the idea.

Yet I don’t mean to imply that she can always act as my bulldog. The negative side is that, due to the influence of her profession, I feel no embarrassment or entitlement to privacy with psychiatrists/psychologists or people who temporarily take on similar roles (such as school advisors). I take a lot of meds, most of which are necessary because of health issues, and have no ability to empathize with people who find taking prescription drugs humiliating or unnecessary.

If I were not lucky enough to have little exposure to institutions and predators, I could easily have been exploited into revealing private information or accepting medical abuse.

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By: sanabituranima https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-23002 Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:57:36 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-23002 I am so angry on your behalf. I wish there was something that could fix this.

Of course, long-term, getting people to view developmentally disabled folks as fully living, fully human PEOPLE will fix this. But in the short-to-medium-term, you and millions of others are still stuck in this nasty situation. What a pile of excrement.

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By: Book Girl https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-22996 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:30:59 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-22996 “And I suspect a lot of people think it doesn’t matter when done to people who aren’t going to experience a whole lot of bodily privacy anyway.”

That is why it should matter even more. I don’t know how clear I am, so much of this post is so familiar in so many ways, and I find it worrying that my gut reaction is to curl up in a ball and shake and disappear inside myself, when I know I should be angry – it is easier to be angry about things when you have a distance from them. A few weeks ago I was harrassed by a man at the local shopping centre telling me, “there will be no wheelchairs in heaven”, and then when I told him to leave me alone, he started standing over me sitting in my scooter and yelling in my face. I was angry about him inflicting his religious weirdness on me, but it took several hours for me to realise – hey, he was PHYSICALLY intimidating me. Because I’m so used to it.

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By: Pancho https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-22995 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:01:02 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-22995 I personally understood that but I’m still upset about it. Plus that means she’s seeing other people other days of the week and they’re probably afraid to say anything too.

I’m still trusting your judgement/decisions though.

I’ll stop hogging the comments…

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By: Amanda https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-22994 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:46:23 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-22994 Oh also I just realized I could have given the impression this person is here every day. She’s not. Without getting too specific, she’s among a group of people who all rotate between different clients different days of the week, and they aren’t anyone’s main staff people. So at most I see her maybe four days a week and at the least not at all. If she were here every day I would be trying to do more about it (although in the past I’ve put up with worse).

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By: Pancho https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-22993 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:53:08 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-22993 Okay maybe I’m commenting too much but…

Thanks Andrea. I was trying to figure out why/how this situation could come up. The only times I’ve had to really truly worry about something in the way amanda baggs was talking about was during my experiences with institutionalization (which were better and lesser than many people’s, but still pretty awful). I was really confused about how she could be in that kind of situation with a staff person inside her own home.

However, now that I’ve read your comment I think the reason why they don’t see it “as a positive sign of someone who knows what they need, want, deserve, have a right to” is because they don’t view amanda baggs as a client/boss. Many of them must see her and the other people they provide services to as chores, problems, or maybe a source of revenue and their “boss” is the agency that helps organize stuff like that. And I’m assuming the agency gets its funding from various government sources and feels justified in doing whatever they want with it.

So I think what we need is reorientation in how service providers see themselves. Some really forceful presentations on ethics etc as part of training would help, but think the biggest problem is the actual way the revenue and such is set up. Like ideally the hierarchy works something like this:

Client—->Agency (if applicable) —-> Service workers —> Government (including funding)

I have the government on the bottom because ideally the role of the government would be to serve the people rather than make them do things.

And what we have now is:

Government—> Agency—-> Service workers—-> Client

Basically from someone’s in amanda baggs’ position, there is this blobby thing on top of her and she has is having to deal with it all at once. While that’s going on, everyone above her is in a position that makes them view her as a liability or chore, unless they’re just very moral people and are able to overcome that.

Does this make sense to everyone/anyone? I guess if it does the next question is how we fix this. I’m afraid it might involve establishing a new government, but I’m open to other ideas.

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By: Andrea S. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/spider-smiles/#comment-22992 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:43:50 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1318#comment-22992 People who are convinced it is “impossible” for them to abuse power shouldn’t be given power.

And, there should be more freedom for people to ask that certain staff not come into their homes without having to fear consequences such as gaining a reputation of being a client who turns away staff. Because having that kind of reputation shouldn’t be seen as a negative thing, it should be seen as a positive sign of someone who knows what they need, want, deserve, have a right to, including safety and comfort with the people who are supposed to be taking care of them.

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