Comments on: How many humans approach animal experiences backwards. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/ Fri, 06 Jun 2014 19:58:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Social Skills | Autism and Empathy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-26362 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 19:58:26 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-26362 […] but only if you approach your relationship to them with the understanding that they have their own, rich, nonhuman experience of the world. If you anthropomorphize them or else treat them like objects that happen to move around on their […]

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By: Social Skills | Autism and Empathy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-24095 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 04:01:59 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-24095 […] but only if you approach your relationship to them with the understanding that they have their own, rich, nonhuman experience of the world. If you anthropomorphize them or else treat them like objects that happen to move around on their […]

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By: Animals, power, and respect « Urocyon's Meanderings https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-23056 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 04:07:27 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-23056 […] generally perceived as humanlike to be deserving of respect is busted to begin with.  See also How many humans approach animal experiences backwards. I have been frustrated lately at the total lack of an appropriate equivalent of […]

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By: sanabituranima https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-23005 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:18:53 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-23005 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wondermonkey/2011/06/do-monkeys-wonder-1.shtml This is an example of what you’re talking about (both of animals being more complex than people assume, and the language of the article is an example of the disbelieving attitude.)

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By: serenity003 https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-23004 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:37:24 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-23004 I think much of this sort of thing has to do with the ability to communicate to most humans. If an animal or person can’t communicate by being verbal in some way, or at least with body language than it is assumed that they aren’t experiencing life as fully. I notice this a lot when I visit my nonverbal son’s classroom. Some very good teachers get it, but most do not. They measure life and experience only as they know it and how most know it. They apply that experience to them while it rarely does fit. They want them to behave like they’re experiencing life and feeling like them (I find much of the therapies they use designed for this purpose) while denying that the children experience their own way and that way is just as valid, and just as full as theirs. It’s as if to many, if not most humans there if there is not any communication as they understand it, then there is a blank slate. The assumption is made based on that lack of understanding.

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By: planetaspie https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-22983 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:50:23 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-22983 Having lived forty years amongst neurotypicals, and understood well enough that I didn’t understand them, it has always frustrated me that they assumed they understood me. And labeled me accordingly. Wrong WRONG!

Education is the key, I guess; but I’m not holding my breath for that one…!
I can only try to keep my mind open to all the other things I don’t understand.

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By: Pancho https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-22982 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:37:15 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-22982 Oh, you’re back! This makes me happy, I very much enjoy reading your writing. I did take opportunity to read some general disability-rights stuff like you have recommended in some of your posts. I knew there were broad similarities but I guess I still didn’t really believe HOW similar they are. I didn’t think there were situations where you could substitute the word “autism” for “blindness” and still have an account make sense. This was a pretty big realization.

Anyway, in regards to animals, this does confuse me too, I think I’ve mentioned it in the comments before. I know I specifically spent a lot of time around cats growing up and even though it’s been a while, I still have an awareness that most people don’t. It’s frustrating to me when it’s so obvious what the cat means and people just don’t get it. It’s even more frustrating when I just don’t get what the cat is feeling or trying communicate. It feels like a big failure on my part. But assuming that just because I’m not able to perceive those things that the actions and expressions are senseless… THAT’S the senseless thing. It’s not logical at all.

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By: Lisa Harney https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-22981 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 04:00:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-22981 I’ve run into this a lot. I used to get into vociferous argument with people over whether animals could experience emotions and have actual inner lives. It amazed me that people – some of whom actually worked with animals – would insist that animals don’t really feel a full range of emotion, are incapable of actual affection, and only hang around people because we feed them. It was completely contrary to my experiences with animals for my entire life.

It’s like that annoying “self-awareness” test that is geared toward human thought processes, so animals that think in a manner that’s at least somewhat similar to us and do a lot of visual processing pass the test while animals who are less visual, and perhaps further removed from us in terms of how they think, are less likely to pass the test. I find it difficult to accept that this is truly an objective test that demonstrates self-awareness. Rather, it strikes me as a test that demonstrates one particular kind of self-awareness.

Speaking of that test, I remember your post about your cat using mirrors to make eye contact with people. I loved that just for demonstrating that cats can and do use mirrors.

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By: Mom https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-22980 Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:16:52 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-22980 I can remember when I was working with neonates back in the 80’s people were just beginning to recognize that these tiny babies felt pain. Why would they not? For some reason for years they had not been given pain killers for procedures that pain killers would be given to any other older human. Likewise there was an assumption by some that babies didn’t really understand language before they talked. I remember caring for a baby who’s mother was astounded I talked to baby in long sentences. When I said chandalier the baby looked up at the chandalier in anticipation as I always told him before I turned it on and he loved the lights. The mother almost fainted. She wanted to know how the baby knew what it was. The concept of talking to her baby in a meaningful way had not occurred to her as she somehow thought all the learning came when the baby was old enough to verbalize. She had to be taught that baby communicated well and showed understanding in many other ways besides verbalizing words…

There are all sorts of myths about dogs that sell them short emotionally and intellectually.
One such myth is that “dogs can’t tell time”. Tell that to our dog Daisy who worridly herds us into the kitchen if dinner gets delayed past a certain time. This isn’t hunger on her part as she has food available 24/7. She also lets us know on Sunday and Wednesday evenings that her ear medicine is due.

I know our dogs worlds are richer in sound and smells then ours. They surely hate to leave us alone as they know we can’t hear or smell a darn thing. They are always alerting us to approaching animals we are not yet aware are nearby . I sometimes think one of our dogs anticipates our moods and needs before we actually are aware of them so I know they have a key sense of body positions and possibly even to smells that go with emotion. Their world has many more layers of smell…I have seen how Daisy goes out to smell where animals have walked the night before and put it into no doubt a directory of smells that lets her know by scent how long ago something passed by. There is so much we don’t now yet….

I think one of the things that fascinates me is when animals reach across species to communicate. We had an orphaned squirrel once run up my pant leg and shirt and huddle on my shoulder…I imagine it saw I moved…and it’s mother had moved before she suddenly wasn’t there any more…and it was hungry…and thought like it’s mother I might supply food. I did. I also found it a home in the backyard of a rehabilitator who had other squirrels there and got orphan Annie back into the wild when she was older and ready.

I like watching the interaction of Daisy our dog with Erysimum, the cat with whom she was raised. They touch noses to say hello….cat language…..and cat marks dog as her own….but cat also uses dog language when she things appropriate like when she stretches out to say she wants to play. Or is that cat language too? They have a special bond.

I think we have a lot to learn from other animals and much can be learned by observation.
I feel lucky to have ours in our lives….

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By: Lindsay https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/how-many-humans-approach-animal-experiences-backwards/#comment-22978 Sat, 04 Jun 2011 20:25:31 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/?p=1312#comment-22978 (Also, I’m glad your blog did not just vanish from the Internet.)

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