Comments on: Feline Ethics, Part 2: Avoiding Arrogance https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/ Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:25:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: tagAught https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-24405 Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:25:14 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-24405 Another fascinating (and so true) post.

Personally, like Ettina, I think (or like to think) that I am good with cats. But all that means is that I usually know what body language to look for, have exhibited the patience and coaxing ability to get shy or wary cats to be willing to approach me and be petted, and know that my cats like me. I *definitely* am aware that all cats are different (witness my parents’ cats: Thor, who is a total sook and *loves* attention, and Mew, who sometimes wants attention, but only on *his* terms, and tends to be a *lot* more stand-offish with people). It definitely doesn’t mean that I can’t make mistakes. Luckily, my cats have all been quite forgiving of mistakes made (well, I call them my cats – I suspect that I’m more “their human”), so we’ve all gotten along well.

I suspect that I see animals as “people”, much as I see humans as “people”. Not cat-shaped or dog-shaped humans, but individuals with their own personalities, likes and dislikes, and…. *sighs* Can’t think of the rest of what I was saying there. And humans don’t tend to have the same hunting instincts as cats: I’ve seen Mew play with a mouse, and while I haven’t seen the results, I know that he often brings dead birds and mice into the house to eat; and for some reason, I *adore* seeing Imber tear into her “Kickeroo” (really just a fabric log with a “tail” of a different, “furry” fabric), and treat it like prey. Humans don’t tend to do that. Any more than they sniff each other’s butts to get information on who this other being is and what sort of physical state they’re in.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that, as far as I know, I see cats as cats – and as “people” – and humans as humans – and “people” – but know that they are two very different “types” of people.

So, my more $2. *shrugs*

;) tagAught

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By: Andrea S. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-22382 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 02:17:39 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-22382 Kowalski,

Your second comment reminds me of a cartoon I once saw. In this drawing there were a bunch of animals (I think all were characters in some common comic strip but I don’t remember the name of it.) One of the animals in the strip yells out, “Duck!” in clear warning that there is something flinging through the air at about head height (I don’t remember what, maybe a mud pie or something). Several animals heed the warning and do duck their heads down. The thing flinging through the air whizzes above their heads. But then there is a duck who clearly thinks someone is trying to call his name because he calls back, “What!?” and turns his head to face directly toward the hurtling object ….

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By: Kowalski https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-22381 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:22:05 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-22381 …um, *ducks* is that even right? Should it be “dodges”? Sorry, I should get some sleep…

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By: Kowalski https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-22380 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:19:18 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-22380 This post really fascinated me so much. And the weird thing about it is that I seem to be one of the few autistics who never cared for cats. *ducks flying tomatoes*
And with that I mean I neither love them nor hate them, I’m just indifferent. After reading this post(as well as Anne C’s cat blog) I’m beginning to think that maybe I just didn’t care for the “human projection” of cats, i.e. it’s maybe the concept of cat owning that I don’t care for, but cats themselves are totally interesting.

PS: My comments is a bit late, but when I first read it, I just didn’t know how to put my thoughts into words, and then they became clearer after reading some of Anne C’s “catlaborations”.
I’m so looking forward to more on this from both of you.

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By: mom https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-22379 Sun, 18 Apr 2010 07:19:31 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-22379 Christine,our dogs try to let us know when they are out of food or water or need to go outside, want a play time or need attention. They often have different body language for each. For instance, they will go to the door when they want to go out or scratch to the side of it. They will get under our hands for a pet. A dog with a thorn in the foot may limp or they may chew at their foot. If you have gotten a thorn out before they may even offer you their foot for examination. Dogs often have a large receptive vocabulary. They understand a great deal of English. We talk to ours all the time and they enjoy this. If we don’t know what our dogs want we check their food and water dishes to make sure they have what they need. Sometimes they just want a play time or are asking for a favorite toy. They have a special way of asking for a walk or car ride. They love routine so they can even try to tell you if you do something out of order or are late at fixing dinner. We had one dog who thought it her job to get us off to work in the proper order. She was beside herself one morning when I didn’t go to work first due to an appt. that I was going to later. One of our current dogs gets upset if dinner isn’t started within half an hour of what she considers normal. Dogs
like to have a job to do and sometimes they think they are responsible for the order in our lives. They love routine and thrive on having daily rituals.

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By: j https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-22378 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:45:48 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-22378 About the similarity between people who think they are good with cats and those who think they are good with autistics or generally nonverbal people– I’ve mentioned a few times how many parent blogs trigger me or just make me very frustrated and angry, and that is another reason for it, I think. The parents who think they can “read their child” so well, and then go and talk about it as “regression” or “s/he had a bad day today” when the child is overwhelmed or has a meltdown. And then punishments for what they fail to understand and can only parse as “bad behaviour.”

I tend to get anxious when it comes to blogs or discussions by parents of children with disabilities in general. Because so many of them involve relentless projecting, of the sort that even a child without any disability-related communication problems can have trouble contradicting (adults have a lot of power, and it can be hard to go against what all the authority figures are telling you about yourself). And I remember being younger and being projected at like that, and picking up some really damaging ideas about myself (either believing the somewhat-prejudiced things I was told, or believing there was something wrong with me when my experience didn’t fit what everyone told me it was). And I don’t want to project at other people’s kids, but the parents often say really similar things that sound less like reflections of their children as individuals, and more like parroting conventional wisdom on What Children With This Disability Are Like or What People With This Disability Are Like. And any disabled adults pointing this out tend to be treated as picking on parents or bullying.

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By: christine https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-22377 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:17:01 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-22377 I have a dog, not a cat, but I really like this post. I try really hard to understand him but most of the time, I have no idea. Today he was making a noise and seemed upset but I couldn’t figure out why so all I could do was lay on the floor next to him and pet him some for a bit. And also ask him what’s wrong a few times and tell him I’m sorry – literally, I mean, out loud. Not baby talk either but the same way I’d talk to a person. I know he isn’t going to answer me verbally and he is already trying to tell me what’s wrong.

What do you all think? Should I quit asking next time? I’ve been thinking about how I feel when I’m having trouble speaking and explaining what’s wrong and it doesn’t help me to have someone ask multiple times what’s wrong. But then he’s a dog and doesn’t understand those words the same way I do (?) so I don’t know if it would make the situation worse for him or not.

As to feeling unworthy – I feel this a lot. Especially because I know I have used my power over him in ways I shouldn’t and I feel terrible for it. I feel guilty sometimes when I put his harness and leash on to take him outside.

I’m looking forward to part three.

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By: Clay https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-22376 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:05:55 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-22376 I’ve had Comet for nearly 5 years, and they said he was 3 yrs old when I adopted him. I’m pretty sure he was abused and has a kind of PTSD. He dislikes to have a hand above his head. He’s not a lapcat at all. He has only rarely jumped up onto my lap, and his routine then is to lick and nip my hands and arms, not to lie down and relax. I occasionally pick him up, and set him on my lap, but don’t try to hold him there. He goes into his licking routine. He’ll do that for a few minutes, then jump down. I don’t try to prevent him, he’s a free cat.

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By: Andrea the Integral https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-22375 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 04:36:42 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-22375 Amanda: (re cats getting embarrassed) or a cat who misses prey. Dennis was chasing a fly that was going round and round in circles…..

I was watching him, so he stopped looking at the fly and trying to catch it after a while…..possibly because he didn’t want to keep missing in front of an audience…

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/feline-ethics-part-2-avoiding-arrogance/#comment-22374 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:31:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=620#comment-22374 n.: Yep cats make mistakes, and can get plenty embarrassed at least about the physical ones. (Watch a cat who misses a jump sometime. They will usually get flustered and then make an exaggerated show of washing.)

The thing about mistakes though is generally the worst thing she could do to me either on purpose or accidentally is make me need stitches and antibiotics. The worst mistake I make could kill her, even if the mistake didn’t involve violence. That’s a pretty impressive power differential which is my next topic.

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