Comments on: Human instincts, survival-related and otherwise https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/ Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:25:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Ben Jennings https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-23090 Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:25:34 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-23090 I strongly suspect that some of my supposedly obsessive-compulsive thoughts/behaviours are actually along these lines. If I sometimes mustn’t move, or open my mouth, for a certain period of time, I suspect there are physical reasons. When these impulses are really strong and frequent/steady, it makes me want to go to a doctor but I don’t know what I’d say. Whatever it is isn’t urgent, more likely the sort of thing that one wants to catch early but will eventually produce physical evidence.

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By: MCF https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-22261 Sun, 09 May 2010 23:41:27 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-22261 I get some instincts like that, particularly concerning dangerous or manipulative people. I’ve also found the opposite- every NT person I knew hated this one teacher, but my instincts told me he was a smart, good teacher- not a bad or cruel person. I also have been in situations where my instincts have very clearly told me to do something that saved me from serious injury- for instance, one time I was violently ill and my instincts told me to get as warm as possible and drink as much water as I could. I found out later that if I hadn’t kept drinking water I could have ended up severely- dangerously- dehydrated.

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By: Abilities, and burnout « Urocyon's Meanderings https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-22260 Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:59:46 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-22260 […] I am still not sure how I managed this, at all, the state I was in.** Maybe it was one of those instinctive “fight for survival” situations, which would not be any kind of exaggeration. It still baffles […]

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-22259 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:17:08 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-22259 Yeah. Pretty much if I have language turned off, I can map out the social dynamics of a room in an instant. I described that in this post and in comments awhile back and then someone started going around saying I claimed to be clairvoyant (well that person was one of the last people I ever ignored a warning signal from… talking to them the first time felt like being knocked over by a blast of pure hate even when they tried to sound nice). But I’m not describing clairvoyance, I’m describing what I suspect is a purely non-language bunch of information being processed into patterns that I can recognize. And I think some of the warning signals I get are because as someone who had been the target of bullies and sociopaths, I learned the patterns as a survival thing.

I know nothing about the kind of politics that involve Congress and so on and have a friend who studies it. And she once had me turn off language and watch whoever she pointed out on CSPAN. And my assessments of these people usually matched up with hers even though mine were purely through tone and movement and hers were purely through studying their words and careers.

And I once had a social worker who was a terrible predatory person. I was wary of her on sight. Another autistic person I knew was wary of her just hearing her voice on the phone. All the nonautistic people I knew never suspected a thing until they saw her ruthlessly hurting and manipulating people.

I also suspect based on talking to nonautistic people that whatever body language I pick up on is different from what they pick up on. My theory is that “charming sociopath” types, learn to manipulate only the parts of their body language that most people can read easily. Since I don’t read that part easily, I’m not often fooled, I’m seeing the part of them they haven’t thought to hide.

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By: Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-22258 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:50:54 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-22258 Amanda, I’ve had the same experience of being able to scope people out, but not always knowing how to act on the information, and not always feeling permitted to act on it. Growing up in a situation of abuse, I learned passivity and helplessness very early, and it felt dangerous to take up any space at all. It’s been a long, long process of deconstructing all the old scripts and realizing that I can move in any direction I want, I can be as big and loud as I want, I can keep bullies away from me, I do not have to engage every person who wants to engage me, and I do not have to befriend every person who shows up. These are all things I learn over and over again, but with every iteration, the new behaviors and modes of thought become more familiar, and I feel more empowered to apply them to new situations.

I’ve known a number of autistic people who are empaths–who feel everything going on in a room of people when they first enter. I have this experience in any group of people; it’s as though all the emotional vectors go through me. My guess is that I’m reading a ton of nonverbals and hearing a ton of language, but can’t parse or prioritize it, so it all just comes through unfiltered. If there is a dangerous person in a room, or if the group itself feels dangerous in any way, I will know it.

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By: Norah https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-22257 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:31:47 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-22257 I never really thought of this stuff as instinct, more like a noticing of patterns ans signs and sensations that is either not conscious or not entirely conscious.

It doesn’t really happen to me with body stuff, but it happens in other areas. It is interesting, and occasionally it really amazes me.

It also seems to be how I pick a lot of stuff up and know how to do it: not (entirely) consciously.(For example, in the areas of taking care of plants and baking). Which also means I’m at a loss when other people want to know how I do it. Though I guess in these areas people might refer to it as a talent.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-22256 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:08:10 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-22256 Rachel: I have that kind too. Even down to a fair bit of detail as to what kind of vileness will be there. The main problem I have is that it took me a long while to work out the proper response to that instinct, and even longer to figure out I was allowed to choose who I interact with.

Which has left me in many situations sitting there realizing how evil someone was, panicking, but either not going anywhere, or going towards them rather than away from them. And then later, after I found myself repeatedly victimized, going “Why didn’t I run at the first sign?”

I suspect part of that has to do with my natural passivity and part of it has to do with having been “worked on” by a few sociopaths and other such people so as to present an easier target for them.

But I have also had many experiences where I noticed someone was a truly evil person, others didn’t notice, and when the shit hit the fan I was the only one who saw it coming even though I also didn’t move out of the way. And was utterly astonished by “But she seemed so nice…” when I had never seen even a hint of niceness from the person at all.

I suspect I will have better experiences now that I am aware to move out of the way. But there’s a chance that my brain still has traps set in it that I’m unaware of. (Some people like that condition their targets to make it easier for the next abuser, bully, or sociopath who comes along. And then the next one widens the hole for the next one to enter through. Etc. That’s been part of my problem in life is learning to disarm the traps and close the holes.)

The rest of my vulnerability to this stuff seems to come from something I’ve been meaning to write about, although I hadn’t thought of this context. I really, despite how it’s seemed now and then, have spent most of my life as if I was floating underwater and being moved about by various currents rather than doing much moving on my own (which is a theme in an unpublished poem-or-something I’ve written). I’ve only discovered recently some very basic concepts that other people pick up much earlier, or even seem to be born with. One of those is that I’m allowed to choose my own friends. I used to think I had to put up with whoever showed up, and even when I managed to reject some people it was never forceful or with a sense that I had any right to.

The thing that got me thinking about it tonight was that a little girl in one of my classes as a young (5ish) kid had chopped her hair off in an attempt to seem like Cyndi Lauper. And acts like that were miles over my head at that time. It would never have occurred to me to do something like that on a huge number of levels (not least of which was that it required a certain understanding of the world and my relation to it and agency within it that didn’t exist for me). I mean there were a few things I insisted on doing but there was something much simpler about it.

I’d go on more but maybe I ought to put it in a post instead of tangenting here. (Goes off to find a text editor.)

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By: Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-22255 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:20:29 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-22255 I love hearing about these experiences, because I’m fascinated by the ways that our bodies talk to us. I’ve never had an episode like you describe, but perhaps that’s because I haven’t had any truly life-threatening conditions. In general, I’m super conscious of what’s going on with my system, but it often leaves me with a great lack of clarity, because all the sensations can be overwhelming, and can take me hours, days, months, or even years to sort out.

One area in which I seem to have the kind of instinctual knowing you describe is with people who put off a certain kind of bad energy. I can always spot a psychologically or physically dangerous person. The minute he/she walks into a room, a little voice in my head says, “Get as far away from this person as possible.” It’s very clear, and there is never any doubt involved. Meanwhile, everyone else is acting like everything is fine, and talking about how wonderful the person is, and then years later, when they find out that the person was scum all along, they all run around crying, “How could we have known? How could we have known?”

If they’d have asked me, I’d have told them it was obvious.

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By: Marcie https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-22254 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:29:45 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-22254 Ok that makes sense – with insulin resistance tissue still builds up at a normal pace.

BTW “immaculate conception” refers to being conceived without original sin, not being conceived without sex.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/human-instincts-survival-related-and-otherwise/#comment-22253 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:24:14 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=614#comment-22253 Yeah. My doctor and GYN both said that this is actually a pretty common phenomenon and that they’ll only look into causes if I develop other symptoms or the period doesn’t come back after the end of a 10-day course of progesterone. They said since I don’t get a huge period from hell even after six months it’s probably just a combination of two fairly common things (something I don’t remember, and premature menopause — the last one being because if it were just the other thing I would be going through a pad an hour once the periods were induced).

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