Comments on: People can be a bit like water. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/ Tue, 16 Aug 2011 08:01:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Self-determination is a fucking joke and widgetry harms real people | A world that loved monsters https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-23087 Tue, 16 Aug 2011 08:01:47 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-23087 […] Amanda Baggs’ long post-worthy comment […]

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By: [post deleted] | A world that loved monsters https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-23083 Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:25:38 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-23083 […] Amanda Baggs’ long post-worthy comment […]

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By: Linkspam! | A world that loved monsters https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-23075 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:56:46 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-23075 […] People can be a bit like water. (incredible – essential reading) Anyway, the fact that people take up so much space without […]

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By: DensityDuck https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-21653 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:00:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-21653 OP writes:

“But many parents [of autistics] adopt a mentality that says that they are always at the bottom of any hierarchy in this situation.”

…and then writes:

“They mistake pointing out of the inequality here, with creating the inequality.”

It’s wonderfully ironic that the OP wrote these two sentences–practically right next to each other, even–and didn’t make the obvious connection.

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By: Privilege and Entitlement 101 « Sugar and Slugs https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-21652 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:33:40 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-21652 […] ready to read them, and not everyone is. The blog ballastexistenz has an interesting post, People can be a bit like water, that talks about what happens when you try to talk to people about their sense of entitlement.  […]

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By: Privilige and Entitlement 101 « Sugar and Slugs https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-21651 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:32:41 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-21651 […] ready to read them, and not everyone is. The blog ballastexistenz has an interesting post, People can be a bit like water, that talks about what happens when you try to talk to people about their sense of entitlement.  […]

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By: rose macaskie https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-21650 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:15:57 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-21650 I new a Neville,felt sorry for him and tried to give lots of time to him, to include him and such and he turned into a Milfoi, a real little bully. People are very complicated.
Any small lack on my part with him was for him an example of my complete lack of ability to sympathise or work together withothers converted me into a complete narcisist or sociopate, how do you deal with someone who has ideas about their own rights that are enormouse and is good at saying you have trod on his space using any moment of failure as an example of your short comings. Bullies use the arguements that should be the ones that control them.

I suppose that Neville did not so much step on Rons space as try to protect him. Oritectuion can be very imprisioning. It needs a certain self confidence to contradict others so as to protect them. Stepping on his space would have been ignoring him which is cornering him as if you are ignored you have no place there or useing him. In the story the group cold shouldiers Neville and in that whay take away his space, they don’t give him a chance and at the moment you mencion there is not any way time to explain, belatedly to him all the thought processes they have gone through to reach the conclusion that they must take the risk, so they just anhilalate him, instead of including him and letting him make an informed choice.
It is not in doing something momentary as Neville did to Ron that you take up anothers space it has to be a long drawn out taking up of space pushing them into a corner to constitutes a real offense, as you mencioned with the ddoctor whose short little painfull moment could not compare to the hours of suffering that patients had suffered. I saw a police report of a man kille dby police and they said it would have needed a big blow quickly or a lesser force for a long time. THe time for which people suffer is vrey important if one is to judge how destructive thigns which dont actaually kill you with one blow can be.
Angeli jolie did a film when she was a girl in a psychiatric centre. What i noticed about the film was the girls in the centres complete isolation. No one was going to take them seriously or listen to them, to their own opinion, they might make them talk and draw conclusions but not give them the respect that comes from weighing up the girls opinion, they were completely destitute. Seperated from human kindness. It was tremendouse

on prejudiced behavior,
I have had people relating with me who longed to teach others how not to be racist or cruel. HTis is in reference to Amandas bit about how she had herself thought things that where damaging to people of color. People who want to take others to task for some social ill, who search for any frase that allows them to think that you might be a candidate for their lessons and then you get subjected to such an insulting list of you supposed prejudices as leaves you doubled up in pain. They are people who wont let you talk for fear you will cheat them and pretend you are what you aren’t and it is terrible not to be able to defend anti rascist ideas ideas you blieve in passionatley or yourself or that past self who was kind though they don’t want to know her. These people are more interested in teaching than finding like souls, so they don’t notice any of your graces and i have sufferded on ocasion for things like the people of other race and it is bitter and tremendously painfull to be attacked as a racist. This is to talk of the other side of the coin, there is the usefullness and the destructive ness of those who want to learn others.
Here in Spain i complained that women where under educated and i got called abusive but the very people who called me abusive for supposedly attackin¡g spainish women made no bones of criticising arabic peoples for not giving their women all the advantages that i Spainish woman thinks they should have.
The most important thing is for people to go through these difficult subjects slowly till they can get through all their ins and outs quietly. Normally people flair up if they feel they wont have time to explain themselves . You have to get good education for women, so you have to say something also if you odn’t ppointy out its abusivnes how do you start to get the men to treat women as equals but you may get attacked for it and you will offend. rose macaskie.

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By: Lily https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-21649 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:05:14 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-21649 Hi Ballastexistenz,
I’ve been reading your blog for a while; not always, just sometimes. Some of your posts I understand, some of them I don’t. This one I understood, I think, and I just want to say thanks for posting this. I’ve been diagnosed Aspie but I’m not sure if I actually am. Three involuntary commitments but overall I’ve been pretty lucky. I especially appreciate what you said about “colorblindness isn’t a good idea because ignoring problems doesn’t make them go away.” I have more to say about this but I’m really tired, it’s 1 a.m. I’ll be back tomorrow when I’m more coherent, merry Christmas or Hannukah or whatever else, peace…

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By: Jesús David Emmanuel Galarza https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-21648 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:42:59 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-21648 Hello, I’m from Argentina.
It may be autistic Asperger. I can not communicate with words in my mouth that’s why I want to know the name of the device to communicate to you that I need to. thanks.
WRITE ME please

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By: Ettina https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/people-can-be-a-bit-like-water/#comment-21647 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:46:25 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=565#comment-21647 “My own partner thinks I’m a ball-breaker, when the truth is just that I see no reason why I should have to do all the housework and I expect him to get off his butt and pitch in.”

Makes me wonder why he’s still your partner.

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