Comments on: How did you figure out that this was a pattern, and what made you realize it? https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/ Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:26:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: AnneC https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21429 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:26:30 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21429 I’ve been thinking about this question (that of when I noticed that I was experiencing a pattern of discrimination) for a few days now, and I have to say that it’s somewhat difficult to say. I guess I sort of noticed different things at different ages, however, the full pattern really didn’t become apparent to me until about two years ago. That was when a psychiatrist I’d been seeing for a while suddenly started trying to push extra medication on me, telling me I felt the opposite of how I actually did, and just generally responding to me as if she thought I was “in danger” (of “regression” or “stagnation”, I guess).

My initial reaction to that was, “Gah, what if she’s right?”, but after looking more carefully at my life vs. her perception of my life, I realized that there was no doubt that she was wrong. And I also realized that the reason I was able to question her appraisal of me in the first place was because I recognized what was going on from reading others’ experiences (including, and perhaps especially, yours).

Prior to that experience, I’d had several similar ones:

– with my sixth-grade teacher (who repeatedly told me that I was rude and obviously “thought [I] was better than everyone else”, and that my strong interests were a sign that I was “too lazy to learn about anything else”),

– with a chemistry teacher in college (who decided that if I got up to use the restroom that meant I was “cheating”, and determined that he needed to pull his chair right up next to my desk and stare at my papers while I was taking a test),

– with a co-worker at one of my first jobs (who picked me out of the entire staff as needing his “mentoring”, and who once trapped me in a room claiming that he needed to “get rid of my defense mechanisms” (which he admitted might “feel like torture”) otherwise I’d be doomed to “not meeting my potential”.).

There were others that fit the pattern (as well as plenty of general bullying, and that thing where I often got yelled at out car windows for merely walking down the street), but those ones stand out because they involve my being singled out and treated as if I needed Special Emergency Intervention in order to keep me from going down the path to ruin. And it took me until just over a year ago to figure out that this wasn’t really about me being as messed up as people thought I was, but that there was something else going on, and that it probably was related to discrimination. And not discrimination based on any particular “label” I had, but based on things about my demeanor, etc., that I didn’t even realize for years.

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By: Noranne Kramer (Nightstorm) https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21428 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:52:53 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21428 I never caught a pattern really. Mainly because I really never saw myself being discriminated against. That largely in part because I am not the kind of people that likes to stir up conflict and I sorta ignore discrimination when it does happen

fail on my part really

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By: Travis https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21427 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:55:38 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21427 The pattern. I don’t know if I’m digressing here, but the thing is, I have had friends. And they have been my friends, and they cared very much about me. But then they understood the power diffential we had, and they capitalized on that, and they hurt me- and when I complained, they didn’t know what I was talking about. This was the kind of insult/mockery/abuse stuff they did with each other, but with me, I never had the power to do it back- and because they didn’t perceive that, they didn’t realize they were doing it. So when I complained, they just denied it existed- which led me to beat myself up for being weak or not getting it. Which then puzzled them to see me, whom they ostensibly loved, beating myself up so much. I don’t think this is denial, I think it’s the sad truth- people quite honestly love people they abuse, and don’t know they’re abusing, and then opt out of answering for the abuse because social convention is given them an alibi and a free ride. My Asperger’s diagnosis has given me insight into how this works, and how even if people genuinely love me they can’t be allowed to do that and must be kicked to the curb if they refuse to get it.

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By: Alison https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21426 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:32:57 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21426 This is a reply to Desiree.

The AS assessment criteria was based on a MALE CHILD PHENOTYPE.

You need to find someone who is experienced in diagnosing ADULT FEMALES.

Tony Attwood is a published psychologist who has written about the differences betweed females and males. One of the differences is the fact that some females can be more social.

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By: jd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21425 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:01:54 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21425 Understanding fosters compassion…and *respect*.

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By: jd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21424 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:15:18 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21424 clarification – I “didn’t know it”, but it was later verified.

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By: jd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21423 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:11:29 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21423 Generally, it was very clear to me from childhood on, but especially through middle and high schools that the treatment that others gave me wasn’t *because* of me. This recognition one situation at a time finally led me to understand what was really causing people’s acts of hatred, impatience, intolerance, and seperation. It was clear to me that I didn’t mean offense and hadn’t harmed anyone. Their behaviors came back to their own emotional imbalances, fears, and insecurities.

Specifically, I’ve witnessed assumptions people make about obviously(to me) intelligent (even “genius”) and gentle people I know. Attitudes and words that show their beliefs that those people were somehow “retarded” or unlikeable. Whether another person is disliked is up to each person to decide when they measure them up – not an inherent trait they possess – “unlikeable.”

I’ve also heard my mother(a chemistry major) over the years tell me ways that people treated her without respect, assumed she was mentally slow because of the way she struggled for words at times, and was even treated outside the bounds of bank policy (demanding extra things of her) because of the way they perceived her. For years, I considered that she might be being overly-sensitive, or that it was “in her head.” But now, I’ve had enough life experience to see that isn’t the case.

As you said about seeing negative judgements passed about people you could see wonderful things about, all of my life I’ve had “autie-dar” like “gaydar,” but didn’t know it. I saw people who to me were present, or mentally-focussed, creative, interesting, and idealistic, and the perceptions of others towards them were dismissive or that they couldn’t figure them out.

I think that’s alot of why people dismiss others or allow themselves to be annoyed when they encounter people they don’t understand. That’s why understanding types of disability fosters real compassion.

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By: Kevin Carpenter https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21422 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:24:41 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21422 My awakening has been long and gradual, and even now I think I have not completely woken up to notice the real pattern of discrimination against me as a self-diagnosed aspie. But it has come from reading the words of autistic self-advocates like yourself as well as other people writing about topics dealing with the rights of certain groups (autistic rights, women’s rights, civil rights, disability rights, etc.). What made me realize it? The fact that the needs of someone I was not were being met, and that people expected me to be thankful for conditions I wouldn’t really be able to use properly. Also reading about police states around the world shows how deep discrimination can go, and how people can be convinced that discrimination is okay, as long as it comes under a different name.

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By: Ettina https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21421 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:50:35 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21421 For some reason, I can’t really think of a good answer to your question for me. I’ll try to explain some of the problems I have answering that.
Firstly, on some level I always knew I was being discriminated against, mainly because my parents instinctively treated me right and tried (unsuccessfully) to force the world to do so as well. Not that they never were discriminatory against me, but the contrast between them and most people is quite obvious.
Another thing is that I tend not to think about myself in comparison with anything else unless I make a special effort to do so. It takes effort to actually compare myself with any kind of model from outside, including the type that my mind interprets your question as. And back when I was less aware of discrimination, I didn’t tend to overtly compare myself with others in the sense needed to develop any theory about why I was treated the way I was. All I knew was that it wasn’t fair, but I didn’t think of it in terms of ‘only I have to deal with this’, ‘discrimination’ ‘isolated events’ or any of those. (Note: I’m getting frustrated, because this description doesn’t exactly fit me either, but I can’t describe it better.)
My best answer is that I thought of all sorts of bad things happening to me as ‘unfair’ and ‘unpleasant’ but didn’t elaborate further until I was exposed to stuff about discrimination against neurological minorities. In general, the usual pattern when I read something that pertains to my own experience is to read it as just a piece of information having nothing to do with me, and after awhile run into a real-life situation or happen to think of myself in a certain way that triggers that information as an association, then consciously compare myself to that theory or description or whatever.

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By: Desiree https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/how-did-you-figure-out-that-this-was-a-pattern-and-what-made-you-realize-it/#comment-21420 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:37:13 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=551#comment-21420 Hi amanda,

I hope you reply to this comment, although i know that you probably don’t have time to. i struggle with my identity and where I belong. I’m not NT. I think, act, and react very differently than most people. Most being the NT’s. I have CAPD (adutiory processing problems), spacial problems, and other different sensitory issues. But I’m very social, I have no problem making friends. So I’m not seen as autistic or even aspergers becuase of that. When I was very young because of how I was they tried to diagnose me but becuase I was so social they didn’t help me. (the fact that i could do alot of math in my head as a gradeschooler but couldn’t write it “didnt mean” anything).
Added with the fact I look nearly 10 years younger than my actual age, people rarely take me seriously. If they do somehow trust I’m a capable person after I make a mistake in something thats difficult for me (reading a clock, counting money, or listening to them speak) they discredit me as lazy or stupid.

So from someone who looks and acts like an NT but has a completely different mind then them…props to you.

write back if you want, I’d love to hear any tips that you have.

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