Comments on: The consequences of bullying https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/ Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:11:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Bullies and the Bullied - Scoutmaster https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19685 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:11:41 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19685 […] Read the full post The Consequences of Bullying […]

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By: Philip https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19684 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:32 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19684 A book about the causes and prevention of childhood bullying contrasts developing self-esteem in children with developing self-respect.

Children with too high self-esteem have an inflated opinion of themselves that shows no consideration for others, or any real understanding of their own strengths and weaknesses. This attitude is the root of much bullying.

While self-esteem is awarded, self-respect must be earned through responsibility, cooperation and achievement. Humility, empathy, compassion, generosity of spirit, a realistic belief in their own abilities, and a willingness to try new things all show self-respect.

A child who respects himself also respects others – and other things, such as property, emotions, responsibility and authority. A bully does not respect others because he has no respect for himself. A child with no self-respect sets himself up to be a victim by not interacting normally with others, by lacking the social skills that are a definite part of self-respect. Children who respect themselves have been shown respect.

But autistic children who do not have social skills can learn self-respect, which is not dependent on having those skills.

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By: Lisa Harney https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19683 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 03:31:30 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19683 I think identification is a big issue here. It’s easy to treat someone bad whom you can’t recognise as a being that is similar to yourself, but it’s all the harder to bully a person that appears to be just like you. But of course, that’s just a try at understanding the non-autistic mind from an autistic point of view.

I think that’s exactly it. It’s about difference (and really, a form of bigotry – both the bullying and the tolerance for bullying).

Of course, I think about this from the non-autistic plus “I’ve been bullied” point of view, rather than the “bully’s” point of view.

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By: Rim https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19682 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:27:11 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19682 I got all of the „your looking funny somehow“, “your walking/moving funny”, you can’t say that, others don’t” or the “you just don’t do it this way and that’s why you’re an idiot and everyone’s proving it to you” from my teachers. Even after gaining some social skills later in life bullying still got on me again and again for being nice and cool (which translated in friendly, even tempered and self-confident, but of course children yet lack these specific terms) but being “so strange somehow” at the same time. From my personal experience I cannot believe that a victim of bullying always has a poor self concept or is vulnerable. Some are, this is true, as these characteristics usually draw people near them, but most shy people are either discarded or mothered, not bullied. In my opinion this theory is just a simplified excuse for the weak handling and ignorance of bullying. No doubt, after years of torment people usually show most of the described characteristics! But that’s usually not the reason why the bullying started in the first place. An optimistic parent also only goes into despair if his child is somehow suffering. In this example, it’s not the despair that causes the child to suffer, but that’s what the study tries to point out in my eyes.

I know for a fact that most of the children that first bullied me failed school horribly because of personal issues. The one who was the front bully was severely ill, which nobody recognised until she attempted suicide. However, all these children, today they are young adults, remain mostly extremely popular and well liked among other people. I think identification is a big issue here. It’s easy to treat someone bad whom you can’t recognise as a being that is similar to yourself, but it’s all the harder to bully a person that appears to be just like you. But of course, that’s just a try at understanding the non-autistic mind from an autistic point of view.

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By: Norah https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19681 Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:32:30 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19681 When I was still in school, in one of the later grades, a girl from the first or second grade was being picked on in the corridor (I had been picked on before in earlier grades as well). We talked to her about it but she didn’t want anyone else mixing in. When we told a teacher about it who walked by, he said they were working on that with the class, but he also said: “Well, it’s kinda hard to make them stop it, and it’s also kind of understandable, she looks pretty weird.”

I was almost too angry to reply to that, I don’t know what I said to him, but it wasn’t friendly. (We were not very formal between teachers and students in that school).

And this was at a school that was generally very friendly and where picking on people was very rare compared to other schools. I just hope that girl managed to make it stop during the next few years too.

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By: Rachel Hibberd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19680 Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:52:23 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19680 “It should be more along the lines of “We do not believe that you are any better than he is. He is one of us, and we don’t think you’re ‘cool’ for tormenting him.””

Good point. I think often teachers chastise bullies, but there’s an implicit message that reinforces the higher social status of the bullies. It’s almost as if they’re saying “I know he’s lame and deserves it, but try to resist.”

I had a teacher who would participate in negative gossip about unpopular students. The thought of it still makes me smoulder. I think the issue with her was that partly because of her age (fresh out of college), she was caught up in the pressure of wanting to be liked by students. She gossiped for the same reason the students did- she wanted to make sure that she was in the elite circle.

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By: Evonne https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19679 Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:37:12 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19679 Well said, Lisa. Certainly there are all sorts of factors that lead to bullying behavior, and those factors should be addressed. But a bully is not likely to continue to engage in ongoing, repetitive harassment of *one particular person* if the majority and/or people of authority make it clear that it won’t be tolerated — and won’t receive the encouragement the bully is seeking. And discouraging bullying behavior shouldn’t be limited to “Oh, don’t pick on him; that’s not nice”. It should be more along the lines of “We do not believe that you are any better than he is. He is one of us, and we don’t think you’re ‘cool’ for tormenting him.”

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By: Lisa Harney https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19678 Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:28:28 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19678 I believe that bullying is enabled largely by bigotry. If it was not socially acceptable to view some people as “less than”, bullying against such people would not also be socially acceptable.

There’s no doubt more to it, but I would assume it’s the primary factor in the bullying Amanda describes in her post. I believe it’s why I experienced the bullying I did.

Bullies pick on their targets and keep pushing as far as they can before they hit real consequences. Often, they never suffer any.

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By: andreashettle https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19677 Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:22:35 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19677 Ettina, you make a good case. I was actually thinking of how brain tumors can in some specific cases cause those rages etc when I spoke of brain chemistry (plus the way that brain chemistry is an important factor in shaping personality and pattersn of behavior in general), but I didn’t stop and think through how that differs from the targeting that goes on in bullying behavior. Thank you.

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By: Rachel Hibberd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/the-consequences-of-bullying/#comment-19676 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:26:11 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=458#comment-19676 I don’t neccesarily go for the “brain chemistry” explanation either. I was quoting someone else there. Except that I would like to point out that at the most basic level, EVERYTHING is brain chemistry, including thoughts, schemas, self-esteem, etc. It’s all patterns of activity in your brain.

I think the important thing is to look for an explanation, or at least a solution, rather than taking the easy route and ascribing bullying to an inherently evil nature. (At least from a public policy perspective).

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