Comments on: A personal reflection on pity for the anti-telethon day. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/ Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:24:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Ettina https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19358 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:24:03 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19358 “I think the “admiration” of the “Oh, you’re so BRAVE for enduring life like that!” type and pity aren’t distinct phenomena. It’s a way of dealing with people who claim they’re not so pitiful, and their life isn’t such a living hell, without having to develop a different view of them. Listen to how often “You’re so brave!” is followed by “I’d just die if I had to live like that!” or something similar. It’s still claiming that life with that disability is a horror, just adding on the faux-admiration of patting people on the back for being able to endure existence.”

Ironically, I feel uncomfortable about that kind of admiration even for things like coping with abuse, which really is a bad thing to experience. I don’t like the term ‘survivors’ which is used as a way of helping abused people feel ’empowered’ partly because I wonder – who are the victims? I can understand describing someone as a Holocaust survivor or whatever because many people died from the Holocaust, but most sexually abused people survive.
It also seems to me to have a sense of implying the ‘survivors’ are better than the ‘victims’ – stronger, braver, whatever.

“How easy is it to forget
The ones who walked with us, talked with us
The ones we fought alongside
They didn’t survive, they fell

They were as strong as we
But we can’t see this to be so
For it would show how little power
We had in the hour that they died.”

In the name of memory (a song)

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19357 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:13:34 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19357 My best guess would be a combination of the two.

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By: Stefan https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19356 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:41:26 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19356 Perhaps strangefairy’s most recent post was not directed at anyone here, but was, instead, a story of his or her previous abuse.

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By: andreashettle https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19355 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:53:09 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19355 strangefairy: I’ve seen nothing stupid or evil in your responses here. True, some of us disagreed — but good people can disagree with each other without that meaning that anyone is “stupid” or “evil” for thinking differently.

And, it’s not your obligation to make us “happy.” If someone becomes unhappy just because you think differently from they do, then that’s their problem, not yours.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19354 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:04:25 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19354 I didn’t say any of that and neither did anyone else here. We were just trying to talk to you about the content of an article AFAIK, not insisting you had to agree with us or that you had to punish yourself or make us happy or any of the rest of that. You really seem to read a lot into things that just plain isn’t there, including into people’s responses here it seems. Nobody here is ‘above you’, I doubt anyone here sees any reason for you to have to ‘punish yourself’, or as having had ‘incorrect thoughts’ or whatever. Failing to agree with you isn’t a personal attack.

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By: strangefairy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19353 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:57:15 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19353 I failed to take into account something i did’nt know existed. i must punish myself. I thought incorrect thoughts. more punishment. i remembered my life and that influenced how i viewed something. additional punishment.i made someone above me unhappy. more. i failed to see that someone had above the law status. much more.forced someone to remind me that i am stupid and evil.needs more punishment
tell me how to make yo happy.i must make you happy and give what you want. tell me and i;ll do it

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By: Andrea https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19352 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:19:40 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19352 strangefairy:

If you have “not been allowed to object” when abused, then that in itself is a violation of your rights.

Double-standards suck, whether they happen within the disability community or in any other context.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19351 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:40:32 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19351 Seems to me you’ve had unpleasant experiences with:

1. Some individual disabled people.

2. The unwritten hierarchy in the disability community.

Should be noted that the woman who wrote the article is pretty low on that hierarchy herself, having a condition that is still written off by some people as psychosomatic and all in people’s head, which puts it in the realm (in many people’s eyes) of a psychiatric condition or even just a moral/ethical problem in an otherwise “healthy” person, which puts it down at or near the bottom along with autistic people and people with intellectual disabilities. Like you, she’s had her condition mostly attributed to personality traits rather than to anything “real”.

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By: strangefairy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19350 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:33:34 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19350 Yes, i am bringing a lot of personal baggage to this, including being harmed because of another’s disability, having people in charge recognizing and accommadating another person’s disability while refusing to acnowlage mine,and some things in the Disability Movement that i cannot agree with.i actually do not feel i have a right to object to being abused,because i have often not been allowed to do so. my life has had a somewhat surreal quality,including there being different standards for me than for others,and things happening that don’t happen to most people.

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By: strangefairy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/a-personal-reflection-on-pity-for-the-anti-telethon-day/#comment-19349 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:10:39 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=446#comment-19349 A bit more. a part i found difficult, and which made me think she did not think she was responsible for her actions, was the part about the problem always being other peoples ableism and never her attitude.if I’m wrong and she objects to people denying the reality of her disablity or not doing something she needs when they can acually do it, i misunderstood, and she is right to object.it appeared to me that she meant that if someone dislikes her or says no to her, it is always because of their ableism, never because she did something that they would not like whether she was disabled or not, or because it was impossible for them to do what she needed.I think it’s possible for a disabled person to do something that would make someone dislike them even if they weren’t disabled, or as you said,have an awful personality, and i was left with the impression that she thought that never happened and and every conflict anyone had with her was because they were ableist. she also said she found it unacceptable if others did not feel empathy toward her.(personal sore point here).it’s possible to misread what another person is thinking, and unless you actually can read minds you can misjudge them.also, nobody has any right to tell anybody else what to think or feel. it’s possible to do what someone needs to have done, and not feel a certain way toward them.

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