Comments on: Job qualifications. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/ Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:21:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction) https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19252 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:21:08 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19252 To be honest, I’m supervising a postgraduate student conducting research in this sort of area for her M. Ed. degree (Special Education; specialising in autistic difficulties in adult life).

I’m looking forward to seeing her work reports.

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By: jd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19251 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:37:10 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19251 What it really comes down to is a person’s ability to be an unbiased observer in the moment.

A person can “care” and have all sorts of good intentions or credentials and still lack an interested perceptiveness(which is helpful in *combination* with caring) that though it can be cultivated, is never so great as that [perceptiveness] which is largely innate. (Not everyone shares the same natural talents.)

If a person has many credentials, but through the eyes of spoon-fed brain mush they see only an “autistic”, and the *condition*, stereotypes, and assumptions they have been *taught*, they can still fail to relate to (not just them *being* a person) the valuable, interesting, real person with the experience, perceptions, and talents that they Do have.

It’s the difference between two people, one who sees what is really occurring, or what is motivating another, and another who strictly believes only what they knew before, and have largely learned from rote or the beliefs of others, and allow no novel insights, reading the autistic and their experience through those beliefs only.

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By: David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction) https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19250 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:54:33 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19250 Learning to stay calm is part of the training, as far as I am aware.

So, yes… the right qualifications indeed.

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By: bargedweller https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19249 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:33:48 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19249 Looks like members of a British coastguard mud rescue team had the right “job qualifications”:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/6965345.stm

(unlike many news stories, a story with a happy ending)

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By: David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction) https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19248 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:04:55 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19248 “that blame all to often lies with the workers themselves.” -> “that blame all too often lies with the workers themselves.”

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By: David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction) https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19247 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:37:32 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19247 “I agree that learning to give a crap can’t be accomplished by reading a packet or watching a Powerpoint presentation. But I have seen a lot of people learn to do this as part of their college life.”

Exactly, Rachel. I did it from day one with the psychology and counselling studies I took.

“Not that you can only learn this by going to college, obviously. Students weren’t taught how to give a crap, per se, but being exposed to the very idea that there ARE people who are oppressed in various ways, and that you have some responsibility for that, and that there are things you can do to help ameliorate that, often changes people’s attitudes.”

Brilliant.

“As far as learning to APPEAR as if you are listening, I think it is important, and I learned it in a training session.”

Me too. Many training sessions dealt with listening skills, too… not just looking like I was listening but actually listening. And checking with the person I was listening to as to whether I was getting what they were saying.

“If you do care but the person you’re talking to can’t tell by your body language and tone of voice, you may not be able to connect with them well enough to figure out how to be helpful.”

Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more.

“Practicing this kind of thing in role-plays (after reading a dry manual) taught me to be a lot better at this than I used to be.”

Same here. Which I why I have a lot more potential clients who can’t afford to pay for my work than I can afford to work with for nothing.

“Also I darn well hope that the classes and supervision I’ll be recieving over the next few years will help me be better at it than I am now.”

Indeed. The stuff done in training can be useful to everyone who takes that training course. Like I was trying to say earlier: it’s not the necessarily the training that one should blame for piss-poor attitudes of workers… that blame all to often lies with the workers themselves.

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By: David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction) https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19246 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:17:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19246 “It’s to find ways to level the playing field off.”

And without actually knowing why the field isn’t level in the first place… that’s impossible to do. Which is why training is important.

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By: David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction) https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19245 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:13:11 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19245 “I’d like to think, David, that when you’re educating your students on techniques, you’re continually reminding them that the point of earning credentials is not to flex them all over the place, but to implement them in a manner that’s responsible and respectful – because Human Services is about Serving Humans. I like to think that you’re teaching them that the best way to deal with people is to first and foremost recognize that they’re PEOPLE – and that even, perhaps, when you recognize a student that seems to be in it for the wrong reasons, you encourage him or her to get the hell out. Please.”

I would have thought you’d picked up on that. You know… when I said:

“What did I teach?

Theory.

Why?

Because without knowing why someone has to do what they do, they will only go through the motions. When the know WHY they are doing it, they tend to be more reflective on their work.”

I agree that taking a class in something far from makes one an expert in anything. However, at least I have two very strong angles on the whole autism issue: I’m autistic myself, and my MEd in educational psychology has a specialist angle on autism. I’ve lived it for 45 yrs and researched it throughout the duration of my studies over the past 11 yrs of my training as a psychologist. Even here, they can’t get past that as one hell of a qualification to tell them more than they already know.

Like I say, one course I designed (and not as a qualifying course in any sense of the word) led to an improvement in the services provided to two sets of autistic people being served by certain professional bodies in Finland. And course members are always reminded that their client is first and foremost a person, a human being. Compliance with interventions that the workers themselves would not countenance is never an aim: they have to think of a person as someone in a situation that is not helping him/her to develop in some way… and their job is not to ‘do stuff’ to the person. It’s to find ways to level the playing field off.

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By: Evonne https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19244 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:29:24 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19244 And by the way, Mr. Andrews, I just can’t resist telling you that you’re oodles of fun. Heh, what was it, “schmuniversity” that set you off? I’ve been resisting mentioning it because it’s frankly irrelevant and sort of undermines my original point, but because I’m afraid you think I only take issue because I harbor some sort of resentment-driven “anti-university attitude”, and because the irony is killing me, I’m compelled to add that I in fact am very pro-higher learning. I enjoyed quite a lot my experience at Columbia (plenty of artsy-fartsty weirdos there), and I feel pretty special when I get to write letters and articles on behalf of physicians at Ivy-league medical schools in my current position at a medical society, and I’m rather fond of my huge-ass University Press library and hopelessly fond of my University of Chicago alum husband, and in fact was thrilled to marry him in a gorgeous Gothic chapel right there at The Schmuniversity. In all seriousness, it’s just a little scary when someone makes a statement that – playfulness aside – at its core says, “The problem here is that folks are operating on the basis of ‘I know best because I took a class’, without considering that what their work really comes down to is whether or not they actually * care * about helping the person or simply * appearing * as though they’re in charge”, the answer is very often “But – but I * do * know best because I took a class!” Certainly passing on understanding of autistic perceptions and behaviors is important; of COURSE it’s important. Thanks to folks who bothered to do some research, lots of backasswards assumptions about autistic people that used to be considered just “common knowledge” have been challenged and debunked. But approaching an autistic person with the attitude of “Hey, there’s one of ‘em – time to do all that stuff to ‘im like I learned in school!” without recognizing the person as a sentient being and not, like, a broken toaster or something, is wrong. And that wrongness increases exponentially the more credentials you add, because of the obvious power dynamics. I’d like to think, David, that when you’re educating your students on techniques, you’re continually reminding them that the point of earning credentials is not to flex them all over the place, but to implement them in a manner that’s responsible and respectful – because Human Services is about Serving Humans. I like to think that you’re teaching them that the best way to deal with people is to first and foremost recognize that they’re PEOPLE – and that even, perhaps, when you recognize a student that seems to be in it for the wrong reasons, you encourage him or her to get the hell out. Please.

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By: Evonne https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/job-qualifications/#comment-19243 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:49:24 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=442#comment-19243 Mr. Andrews, I in fact was not wondering what you knew about it, but it was certainly kind of you to volunteer as always.

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