Comments on: Being talked around rather than to. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/ Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:35:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: andreashettle https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18895 Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:35:15 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18895 I’m deaf. If I boycotted every restaurant in which waiters seemed to assume that me being deaf means no one can talk to me (hello? Ever hear of lipreading? Or writing things down instead? Or just TRYING instead of freezing? Apparently, for many waiters, the answer is no) then I’d never eat at ANY restaurant when accompanied by hearing people. UNLESS it were an exclusively Spanish speaking restaurant and no one else in my group knew Spanish. Judging by one experience I had in Costa Rica, waiters do manage to overcome their fear of talking to deaf people right quick when they realize that the deaf person is the only person in the group who knows how to communicate with them.

If you’re able to actually find restaurants that still treat your blind friend as an equal even when accompanied by a sighted person, then maybe waiters must have an easier time adjusting to blind customers than deaf customers.

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By: Julia https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18894 Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:35:09 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18894 I’m boycotting a particular restaurant because they treated my blind friend badly when I went there with him.

The real kicker? His credit card has his picture on it, and the waitress handed it to me.

He’s blind, not stupid, not incompetent, and not deaf. Sheesh. And not needing someone else to do his talking for him.

There are a few other restaurants we’ve been to together where he’s treated like a competent adult who just happens to need someone to read the menu to him, and we go back to those.

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By: andreashettle https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18893 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:42:25 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18893 Adding to what Evonne says above:

What makes it worse, above and beyond treating this visitor as if he were a child:

1. They did not account for the fact that this guy apparently NEEDED to hold on to something. If there honestly was a good reason for him to avoid touching certain things or putting too much weight on them, and not just them trying to cling to power (which is what this sounded like), they could have offered him a seat or explained the problem. (Eg, “oh, that counter isn’t as strong as it looks, it might not take your weight for long” or whatever) they shouldn’t have prohibited him from one approach to meeting his needs (to lean on something) without some alternative.

2. This was Amanda’s home, so she’s the only person with a right to say who can and cannot touch or lean on her things. It wasn’t the staff’s place to decide or lecture, and abominable that they overrode her clear wishes. So they weren’t only treating the visitor as a child but also Amanda.

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By: Evonne https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18892 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:36:37 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18892 And yeah, Amanda, that thing about the guy in your house reminds me of situations in which somebody’s kid is rude to a stranger and it’s embarrassing to the stranger, who, after the kid gets reprimanded by the parent, says, “Oh, it’s okay,” ’cause there’s really nothing else to say, and the parent insists on making the kid apologize anyway ’cause it’s the appropriate thing to do and you shouldn’t let your kid get away with something that’s wrong just because a stranger doesn’t want to reprimand you. Meaning, the staff in question were behaving as though they were parents and the person you were talking to was a misbehaving kid, and further, they took it upon themselves to “teach him a lesson” and not “let him get away with” his “misbehavior” like they would a child.

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By: Evonne https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18891 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:24:52 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18891 Yeah. My best friend and I have taken to stiffing a particular waiter for sport; every time we go to his restaurant for lunch he only speaks to me and puts the bill on my side of the table.

Interesting thing is, my friend is usually the one with the money. ; )

I’d say she and I have about equal “assertiveness” vibes; and, in fact, I’d probably say that she comes off as more in control than I do. But she’s black. And that’s the *only* factor she and I can determine is at play when the waiter freezes her out. And it’s funny; bleeding heart that I am, I always feel bad that we don’t leave the guy a decent tip. But he still hasn’t figured it out — *she’s* the one paying!

Similar situations occurred in the past with a friend who uses a wheelchair; I for some reason quite regularly got the bill placed under *my* nose — and that friend is male, so that particularly enraged me — and, again, it sure as hell wasn’t understandable for the waiter to do that either. But I’m trying to show contrast with the situation with my female friend — in her case I’m quite certain the presumption has nothing to do with body language or assertiveness or anything besides just “looking” a certain way. We can only conclude that that waiter just doesn’t like black folks. The notion that certain folks aren’t worth acknowledging *at all* doesn’t lie too far away from outright hate.

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By: Alianora La Canta https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18890 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:46:04 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18890 Strangely enough, I got the opposite effect at times at university. People in restaurants would often assume that I was looking after my best friend and sometimes ignored her until she spoke up. This was despite me have Asperger’s Syndrome, she being both neurotypical and three years older than me and usually arranged the restaurant trips in the first place. (Both of us were students, so the “staff/client” dynamic wasn’t in play). Only in places where she’d placed a pre-order beforehand (she has an Asian name and looks the part) did this not occur.

My theory is that people automatically look for the one who looks like the group leader. When total strangers are seen in a group, often the most extroverted one seems to get tagged as “the leader”, whether they are or not. Others often get ignored, the ignorance being to the proportion of power that appears to exist.

Since extroversion is conveyed through social confidence, certain items of body language and a few other things I can’t get my head around, this would go a long way towards explaining your experiences. Especially when you are with staff and you are used to staff holding power. NTs seem to be quite good at detecting power imbalances, and less good at balancing them once they are seen (to put it politely).

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18889 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:01:55 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18889 I’ve also gotten in trouble for speaking to people directly rather than to staff. It annoys some staff. Particularly the control-freak kind.

I remember a guy coming into my apartment and leaning on something of mine, and the staff (there were two) told him not to do that, and I told him “It’s fine, you can touch anything you want,” and the staff got really mad and tried to insist on what he could and could not do in my house. (He clearly needed to grab things for stability to avoid falling over, this wasn’t a “random touching for no reason” thing.)

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By: J https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18888 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:52:28 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18888 From what I’ve seen on the videos, your body language tends to stand out as abnormal, even when you’re not doing anything people would obviously associate with disabilities, such as flapping, rocking, or using a wheelchair.

Beyond that, I think it’s the same prejudice as people have about obvious disabilities. I’ve had people assume complete strangers were my caretaker, because I was standing near them (for instance, next to them in line), and I use crutches (and being able to speak without full use of my legs is apparently a rare and exotic skill in some people’s eyes). It may be more of an NT thing, because NTs are more likely to unconsciously read body language, and arrive at a conclusion of “different” or “weird” without thinking why they concluded that.

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By: Evonne https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18887 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:48:11 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18887 Heck, Stevie Wonder rocks too. Maybe it’s a Motown thing. :P

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/being-talked-around-rather-than-to/#comment-18886 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:28:20 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=430#comment-18886 about blind mannerisms… i always thought Ray Charles (becos you see him on tv, not like most nonfamous blind people) had an autistic-like thing, with the rocking. i am trying to remember my parents’ blind friends, people I used to know years ago… i think they had some non-standard mannerisms, too. do some people maybe not really worry about matching their facial expressions to what is standard, for example, because they were blind from an early age and didn’t see the other peoples’ facial expresions? whereas, as autistics, we might have bad proprioception about what our own faces are doing, which would be almost the opposite reason. (or it might not be natural to us to make the standard faces)…
does this make any sense? i hope blind or visually impaired readers here could answer my question and i hope it is not rude or over-assuming or something. i am not even sure if the autistic reasons are correct, for that matter. i think i am often not sure what faces i am making, because sometimes students make comments about strange faces i am making, or think that my faces mean other things than what i meant by them.

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