Comments on: My clumsy attempt to talk about wide-scale American politics. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/ Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:39:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Justthisguy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18754 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:39:25 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18754 Ma’am, please explain what you mean by that word, “scapegoating.” Like Calvin, of Calvin and Hobbes, I dislike being “verbed” like that, or I should say maybe “presently participlicated”, or “gerundified”, or something.

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By: Justthisguy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18753 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:52:54 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18753 I was around in the fifties and early sixties. The culture really was very different then. The Derb was too, but in Britain.

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By: elmindreda https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18752 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:14:26 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18752 That was very interesting to watch, thank you.

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By: Rachel Hibberd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18751 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:41:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18751 Sorry if this is a total threadjack.

On culture and politeness:

My mom is English, and I never really noticed the ways this cultural difference influences me until recently, when I travelled some and started observice culture more carefully. I was learning Spanish (and learning English grammar for the first time in the process) and I realized that I use the conditional tense, i.e. “could you” rather than “will you” or “can you” way more than anyone I know… except my Mom. I also one time got all huffy when I was with my friends and they wanted to sneak into line way ahead of a lot of people to get into a movie. I refused and went home, to their total amazement. I think both of those are kind of English behaviors.

Anyone from across the pond who could corroborate?

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By: Makoto https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18750 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:56:24 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18750 As far as loss of community-ness, I think linking that to a lack of similarity in people (whether history, looks, race, etc.) is to hitch that issue to the wrong horse. Or, more accurately, a false one. People with diverse backgrounds (and/or histories, etc.) aren’t inherently incapable of forming communities, I don’t think. I see that as related to human interactions unrelated to… well anything. I’d say more has to do with individual decisions, than other things.

I.e. the middle-aged woman in Paris who helped me find my hotel when I was lost (total stranger). She and I had no common language, racial background (I’m guessing), nationality, and probably a lot of other things. She had no obligation to help me, but did it anyway –And the US is seen as having a pretty violent culture in many places, or so I have heard. Maybe sort of like those West Africans? Should she have been scared of me?– It might’ve been brief, but for 5 minutes is was sort of a community of two — not held together by history, race, nationality, or anything else like that. Just a human being relating to being lost & being a human, and deciding to help was it, I think.

I’ve not been to all that many other places, but I’ve had similar things happen in Japan, England and parts of the US distant from where I grew up/live.

Oh, regarding California: one of my uncles (this was in Alabama) once asked, me “why don’t you say ‘sir’ to your elders?” As I froze in confusion another uncle said “maybe they don’t say that in California.” Uncle #2 was right — a kid saying that in Cali. will be taken to be a smart-a**. Maybe some North/South (or equiv.) seeming rudeness are cross-cultural misunderstandings.

Well, at this point I can’t remember what the heck I started out trying to say, but hopefully it’s in there somewhere.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18749 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:44:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18749 I still can’t buy that, it’s just a really fancy version of scapegoating.

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By: Justthisguy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18748 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:17:46 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18748 Here is something from John Derbyshire, who expresses my sentiments more eloquently and discursively than I can do:

http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/2007/Texts/LostEden.htm

I tried to drag that as a link, but that didn’t work.

The Derb is a rather geeky guy himself, having written a book on the Riemann Zeta function and prime numbers. I own a copy.

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18747 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:21:17 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18747 PS2: oops wrong direction?! i mean the clock is off, that’s all.

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18746 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:20:25 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18746 PS is your blog’s clock on like SL time or something?!
not that it matters. but i just sent a comment labelled after 2pm today and it’s before 11am really.

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/my-clumsy-attempt-to-talk-about-wide-scale-american-politics/#comment-18745 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:53:39 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=425#comment-18745 when i read the transcript of the olberman speech i was disturbed by the hero worship displayed by some of the commenters (i don’t have any preconceived idea about olberman but i would find this disturbing even about a political/etc. figure i kinda liked -if there were any)… but i do agree that the whole [doing illegal stuff because you are the leader of the free world and noone can touch you] thing, is kind of extra evil.
and i am sure other presidents have done these sort of evil things as well, but i guess i am more mad when it is done by someone i would have liked to have trusted, because i used to be a republican.

on another topic, i like to see the demographics changing. not that i have anything against my own culture, or the white and the black southern cultures that were already here when i transplanted into this region, but to me the pace of demographic change here in the southeast is exhilarating. i am trying to think what would it be like if the fastest growing immigrant group were from a culture that i *didn’t* instinctively feel friendly towards… but still i think i would realize that america is a nation of immigrants (even the indigenous apparently came from asia?!), i mean they kind of all are, but USA more so than other countries even. and that people of any origins can settle down here and pretty much be about what america is about. not that i am entirely sure what america is about, but i meant mostly the positive stuff like hard work and living a nice peaceful life and being decent citizens. my immigrant friends, whether here legally or illegally; whether mexican, colombian, ethiopian, french, etc.; they are all about that.

and plus: you should NEVER EVER underestimate the ability of immigrants to figure out when they are being handed bullshit. the entire immigration process and trying to make it here, is a huge training in BS detection. plus, most ppl who want to leave their country for ours, have been “trained” on governments that have made them extremely cynical about political leaders, so… just get real, ok?!

/rant

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