Comments on: The funny thing about communication. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/ Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:25:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Stefan https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18618 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:25:03 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18618 Rose, I think what Einstein probably was referring to when he used the term “telepathy” is a counterintuitive prediction of quantum mechanics, where some event may appear to cause some other event instantaneously at a distance.
See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox .
I’ve heard the word “telepathy” used in this sense, but only rarely.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18617 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:56:28 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18617 Most people definitely have no clue how much smell they use on a regular basis. There was another study I think where people wrote beforehand that they would not be able to tell the gender of the wearer of a shirt by smell, but they were. I used to tell family members apart by smell. (And could smell whose butt had last been on a particular seat, etc.) And I can definitely at times smell a difference in humans and animals with mood and such. (I once walked into a veterinarian’s office that reeked of terrified animals, and was tempted to walk straight out again. Should have. That vet was awful.)

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By: Rachel Hibberd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18616 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:41:15 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18616 On the subject of non-oral communication, my personal opinion is that there’s a lot more chemical or pheromone communication among humans than anyone recognizes. I think this may explain some of the more mysterious patterns we find ourselves in, especially regarding dating.

One study I saw indicated that women who were given the sweaty t-shirts of six different men could “guess,” with much-greater-than-chance accuracy, which t-shirt belonged to their partner. When they do genetic studies, it turns out people have a greater-than-chance likelihood of partnering up with someone whose immune system complements theirs genetically (which has evolutionary advantages for the offspring). And then there are the many anecdotes of people who are mysteriously attracted to others who have characteristics that don’t become apparent until later. One friend of mine, a man, only gets asked out by bisexual women. I have many female friends who always wind up with men who cheat. Etc.

This is kind of rambly, and off-topic, but it’s one of my favorite seldom-talked-about issues.

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By: Rose https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18615 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:33:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18615 I used the native American example because they are seen, albeit stereotypically, and distinct from Europeans. Their genetic pool is very distinct, probably because it led to their survival in circumstances far different from that of Europeans. One thing I remember a professor saying was when she taught at a reservation, their sense of time was very different.

I believe because they were intimately connected to their environment for thousands of years, they developed attributes unique to that environment.

The reason why I brought up telepathy, not in the sense we typically think of (ala “The Time Zone”) is because I have always wondered what Einstein spoke of when he said telepathy was faster than the speed of light. A bit of an obsession, I guess. It’s always been in the back of my head since I read of it a couple years ago. I am a very spiritual person, with a profound belief in the Almighty…so it makes me a little queasy to bring up things that smack of the occult. A lot of what I came across while researching telepathy did, and kind of turned me off.

But the bible does say that we are spiritual beings, it speaks of the opening of the “eyes of our hearts”, and other such notions that are not typical language.

I wonder how many of our gifts are left unopened because they don’t fit the ideas of our present culture. What gifts does the autistic person have that compensate for the unease with language?

Maybe I think too much…

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18614 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:38:40 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18614 Yeah, basically there’s no need to jump to telepathy as the first explanation of things like this.

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18613 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:58:02 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18613 PS: ok maybe in fact that anecdote was totally different from what was discussed in the 2nd comment, but for some reason it seemed to apply anyway. maybe just me being random…

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18612 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:56:07 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18612 Amanda, i think it’s worth pointing out what you have explained and we have discussed at various times, that some things that get *called* telepathy from outside are often a combination of intuition and social pattern-matching. (have i got the terms right?)

i wonder if the native-american thing about nonverbal communication could be a regional cultural value, though? like we could say, maybe, that europeans tend to value moderation more than americans, or that americans tend to value convenience more than europeans do.
i remember reading something that reminds me of this. it was in a police novel set in the lands of one or more of the southwestern USA tribes. the writer isn’t indigenous, but he is apparently good at getting inside the mixture of cultures over there. he has won awards from the navajos & others for being a friend/embassador of their cultures. in this one scene, the indian detective character was not making any “listening noises” that his white colleague expected, and so he was accused of not listening, when he was really listening like anything. then there was another scene where the native american guy was with an older guy from his tribe, and they understood perfectly, in the silences, that the other was listening/thinking/etc. ok this is really detaily, but i thought it applied somehow. i wonder if you have any indigenous readers who might want to comment re: whether this is a general cultural thing or not?!

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By: Farson https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18611 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:35:25 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18611 I’m sure we all at least have communication systems that are entirely sufficient for the kind of interaction we instinctively want/need. If only some of us had the opportunity to put them into practice!

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By: Rachel Hibberd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18610 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:48:52 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18610 It’s hard to say, since those of us who are NT have never gotten to try being autistic, and vice versa. I get to a place with very close friends and boyfriends where nonverbal communication is extensive, informative, and very emotionally comfortable. For example, one big tradition in my family is for all of us to sit together in a room and read. Even though we’re not talking or even looking at each other, the presence of family members makes it a warm, comforting event (in addition to getting to enjoy your book :)

But I have no idea if it’s even close to what you folks describe.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-funny-thing-about-communication/#comment-18609 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:41:53 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=420#comment-18609 Am I drinking too much hippie juice?

Hehehe. Maybe.

Nothing I’m talking about here actually requires telepathy. Just a combination of (in the case you’re talking about) commonality of body language and good pattern recognition. I’m sure that could look ‘telepathic’, the same way I’m sure it looks ‘telepathic’ to many autistic people when non-autistic people read each other and send messages in certain ways that we’re (at least at that point in time) missing completely.

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