Comments on: The Awful Prison of Autism. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/ Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:41:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Post in anticipation of tonight's potential deluge. - Ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17159 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:41:21 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17159 […] and again covered the way I responded to one of the questions they asked in email beforehand. And The Awful Prison of Autism dealt with stereotyping in general and sometimes how I felt during the filming in […]

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By: Adi https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17158 Thu, 17 May 2007 11:24:41 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17158 I’m sorry for the late reply, but I’m way behind on my blog reading and trying to catch up.

I want to print out this piece of writing and take along with me and just hand out to everyone. The only thing that I would want to change is the title, to something like: ‘Life outside the autism box’. Or something like that. I read a lot of blogs. The reason I read yours is not so much the fact that it has an autistic link. I read it because it sees the world through a set of eyes that I truly relate to. Whether I have borderline Asperger’s or not (still a big, amusing but largely irrelevant debate between me and my psychologist). It was really just a reason to start reading your blog. Now I read it because it is highly intelligent, amusing, emotional, serious, honest and, well, a true reflection of life and the world around us. Your eyes as windows to life are deeply human in the first place. They are compassionate and understanding. If it is autism that gave you that gift, I am grateful that someone as patient and forgiving as yourself landed in that position. What can I say: lots of warm affection from this side and, no, you are in no box for me, perhaps just maybe a deeply humane box, if you could accept that.

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By: Crash Test Mommy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17157 Mon, 07 May 2007 00:23:12 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17157 Amanda, I think your point at #14 is really important. People who remain quiet because they are terrified and paralyzed by how they are being treated are then punished for employing a reasonable defense mechanism. (Noting that there are many reasons for silence). Who is nuts here? Who is emotionally disabled? The punisher, or the punishee??

In school, I used to sit in silence while the boys in the classroom pretended to level shotguns at me. They made pretended to pull the trigger, made exploding noises. Daily. My nickname was “Critter.” I actually hope the teachers didn’t notice this unlovely little hunt; the alternative is thinking that they did see it, did nothing, and condoned it through inaction.

It has taken me decades to stop internalizing that treatment, to live at peace in my own “box.” Back then, without an autistic label, I was just weird, different, ugly, strange. Also gifted in math, science, english. What is the social use of academically outscoring one’s classmates? It increased their hatred of me.

The misery of ongoing social ostracism motivated me to try to end the pain by fitting in. Which, being very bright (but not nearly as bright as Amanda) I figured out how to do.

You know what? It’s just as empty outside the box as in it. Just as lonely, just as chaotic and scary. Those outside the box, I’ve learned, aren’t nearly as strong and brave and smart as I am. And worse, they think the box is REAL.

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By: Kathy Grant https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17156 Fri, 04 May 2007 00:08:48 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17156 I just watched some of your video and read the transcripts of when Anderson Cooper and Sanjay Gupta talk (or interviewed you). When I watched the video, I noticed you let your hair grow and that I kept looking at the dog and was wondering where the cat was. Also, I thought about the map of the US and the world map on your wall. Then I started to think about the beautiful view from your window of Lake Champlain. Then when your hand was in the running water, I thought about how I slept on your bed (with the cat near my feet) while you and Joel talked about technical things. Then I thought about you knowing Morse Code and I hated the use of the term ‘low functioning autism’ in describing you because I thought, she knows Morse Code and knows all this tech stuff, whereas I just go to my favorite websites and watch Law & Order. I am a visual and associative thinker. So when your hand was in the water, I thought that while I was there last summer that I read some of your books, slept on your bed, and loved your world map and the USA map. I also associate you knowing lots of tech stuff and Morse Code and I think you even know ham radio stuff. And also, looking at Lake Champlain and the hills, I found out I was looking at NY state! And I plan to go to Edmonton for the AUTCOM conference. I love Canada.

Kathy Grant

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By: Dinah https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17155 Tue, 01 May 2007 11:34:18 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17155 A couple of people on this thread have made a point about there being a human disposition to ‘box’ and categorise. The worry is the social tendency to see, as my old anthropology teacher Mary Douglas put it in her book title, “Purity & Danger”:
the good/desirable/civilised/pure Us and the bad /undesirable/uncivilised/impure Them.
Glad this will be your carnival post.

The bit about cramming oneself into “mental disorder”boxes so at least one fits somewhere, is a way of coping with weirdness-judgements from others that I’ve heard about from other autistic people. I am so glad to have grown up among approved eccentrics!

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17154 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:57:10 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17154 Jesse: This was that post.

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By: Jesse the K https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17153 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:54:43 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17153 Thank you!

Amanda, you have again clearly defined an issue I’ve wrestled with for a long time.

If you’re thinking you should be writing the “what box” post for the carnival, I suggest you declare this post it.

And thank you, professor Zero @ 11, for explaining one of the reasons I enjoy reading this blog so much. I am one of those Question Authority! people, and Amanda does such a good job of discussing the implications of actually doing it.

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By: A View into Autism « Casting out into the deep, in a JPII sort of way… https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17152 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:45:09 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17152 […] I wish that I did not have to say that in order to feel that I am not stating my appreciation for them is merely on a scientific level, but as the author of Ballastexistenz (who is autistic herself) states, and as she points out in her video, when someone whom we traditionally defined as “disabled”(although they may not view it as a disability or deficit themselves) does something we think of as “normal” we always speak of it in the negative sense like they should not be that way if they are “disabled”. We do not want to accept that people might be just as valid in their perceptions of reality as we are when their way of relating to us (or really, us to them) makes us uncomfortable. […]

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By: Ivan https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17151 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:10:21 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17151 I think, and this isn’t criticism or preaching of any kind (well if it sounds like it, I’m sorry, that’s not what I mean) but part of the issue is you acknowledge that the box exists. Yes it is true that in order to fix a problem one must first acknowledge its existence. But I think the box issue is different. If you want to solve a problem of communication with someone, or whatever, the other party has to acknowledge the problem too and want to deal with it. It seems to me, that staff and professionals and a whole bunch of people who want to analyse every damn thing you do, think, or write……….do not want to acknowledge the fact that putting someone in a box is a problem to begin with. So, I think the only (and very difficult, understandably) solution here is to try and disassociate yourself from the knowledge that the box exists IN REGARDS TO whoever is putting you in that box, in what ever manner of style he or she is doing so. Of course, acknowledging the box problem with Laura and others who are likeminded (not necessarily autistic, but are not held by the fetters of popular psychology/psychiatry/whatever) is a good idea indeed. Heck, Athena and I might be put into boxes by people, but we are blissfully ignorant of that (again in regards to the people who might be putting us in those boxes) Athena actually might know more about that than I do. I choose to only deal with it, with others who show themselves to be more open minded about the whole thing.

Does this make any sense at all? I can’t write much more because I am starting to lose track of what the original point I was making was………through this flow of words.

Ivan

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/the-awful-prison-of-autism/#comment-17150 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:02:27 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=362#comment-17150 Another thing I should note is this:

In my experience of knowing other autistic people, it is those who have been considered the least competent, given the worst prognoses, labeled the lowest-functioning, considered the least communicative, and considered the most stereotypically autistic… they tend to be the ones who protest against these boxes the loudest, because they’re the ones the most damaged by them.

Note that I’m not talking about them as if they’re a different category intrinsically, I’m talking about the way people have been treated. The more heavily and totally people have been pathologized and considered completely incompetent, the more they tend to react against that characterization, regardless of what their actual intrinsic configuration is.

So what Harold is saying seems weird to me. It seems that if someone is in more danger at any given moment of being put into the worst of the boxes, the more necessary it is to avoid putting them in these boxes.

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