Comments on: Compulsions, and reverse compulsions, and even weirder. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/ Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:08:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Finny https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17027 Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:08:59 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17027 I don’t know about the cycling of compulsions, but I’ve got some compulsion-type things of my own that I keep getting reminded of because people think, when they notice them, that they’re so out there. Like how, when I’m out walking, I can’t step on metal things (like manhole covers or sewer grates) that are on/part of the ground. And when I have no choice but to do so (like when I have to go up or down an escalator and thus have to step on the metal grating at the top and bottom, plus the steps themselves), even inside my shoes or sandels my feet automatically arch so that the least amount of foot possible “touches” (since my actual foot is only touching the shoe or sandel itself) the metal. Stepping on metal things like that makes me feel so very uncomfortable, as does watching others do so. Oddly enough, I shudder even when the vehicle I’m driving or riding in goes over something metal on the road.

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By: Ivan https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17026 Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:27:33 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17026 Yeah. We do. Not sure who has a more pronounced case of that, myself or Athena. It’s nice to find our common experience typed out so articulately. Most of it is a common experience at least for Athena……….what happened was, things that she/I felt compelled to do when we were younger, we can’t stand them now, or at least I can’t stand them from a logical or some other point of view……….

Sometimes being too logical is a setback for being able to chill out and just simply be. I’ll very openly admit that.

Ivan

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By: Julia https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17025 Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:57:25 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17025 I don’t have the revulsion thing.

My compulsions have decreased as I’ve gotten older.

One thing that’s happened in the past 8 months or so is that when I’m walking with my 5-year-old son, who is paying attention to the sidewalk and either avoiding cracks or stepping on all of them, I need a few steps to observe his pattern, and then I match it, or we get all out of sync in the walking. And there’s something relaxing about getting into his pattern, joining him in his compulsion.

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By: Evonne https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17024 Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:15:12 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17024 Oh, totally sort the M&Ms by color. You’re supposed to, right? ; ) I also have an M&M hierarchy, the green ones (though I alternately adore and abhor the blue ones) being by far superior. I think experts and laymen alike would agree.

I was talking to Leif about how I once wasted nearly 45 minutes at work because I couldn’t stop admiring the aesthetics of a curl in a piece of clip art — and he told me that the idea of those Celtic crosses with all the ornate patterns carved on them was to assist people in achieving some kind of spiritual trance — y’know, by staring at ’em. I did not know that.

And O convenient woe to us — we both have very curly hair!

Oh, AND — gonna shut up real soon — I must, upon creating any text document, hit at least one (preferably two) returns before I begin typing letters. I also skip down a number of spaces on handwritten notes. I can’t stand any written document that doesn’t have a nice fat letterhead. I even skip down a couple of spaces when I enter comments on this site, though I don’t believe it ever translates in HTML. Though I’m still fairly satisfied with the spacing on these pages . . . nice’n’even. : P

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By: Ettina https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17023 Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:16:15 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17023 I have breathing compulsions during flashbacks (breath-holding until I force a breath past then holding again, alternating with really fast breathing). I suspect is sometimes aggravates my asthma, but it’s hard to tell because my asthma is really mild.
On a tangent, for several days I’ve found my asthma is really bad when I’m trying to get to sleep, and then yesterday I noted little black spots of mold on my pillow.

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By: Julian^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17022 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:54:38 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17022 Yeah, we have had a few times where we tried to ‘cancel out’, sort of, a compulsion to do a certain thing by doing its opposite. Gone from avoiding stepping on cracks to deliberately stepping on them, etc. Sometimes it seemed to evolve over a long period of time– a few years down the road, we’d find ourselves doing just the opposite of what we had started out having to do or not do.

I wish I could say more about this, but it’s hard to open up about it, partly because at one point we had a lot of ‘delusional’ (in the sense that they’d be perceived that way by psychiatry, not that I myself find the word particularly useful) ideas around what would happen if we did and didn’t do certain things, ideas that we could control whether people lived or died and affect things in other parts of the world. Hard to get close to that. Not because I am ashamed. It is just personal, and tangled, and complex, and hard to explain in the details.

…and then, also, there’s the fact that since we no longer do most of the things we did when doctors considered us to have “very bad OCD,” and can generally predict when we’re going to start tending towards those behaviors again, we fear talking about it at all because of that entire business about “Well, if you really have stopped feeling/doing those things, and you went off your medications, and don’t see a therapist about it, then you must not have ever had real OCD or ever have been severely afflicted. You obviously never had the real version of it.” …even if our “fake version” at one point resembled ideas of the “real version” in every way, from washing our hands dozens of times a day to spending hours doing certain things to try to keep certain thoughts and mental images away.

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By: AnneC https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17021 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:22:41 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17021 The description of the fascination/revulsion thing sounds very familiar to me pattern-wise, but I don’t think I’ve experienced anything exactly like that. I have, however, experienced OCD-like stuff, especially as a kid — for example, I was extremely emetophobic, to the point of having counting rituals I would do silently every night in the hopes that somehow they would keep me from throwing up. I’m still not a big puking fan (I’ve actually only done so once since I was 7 years old…I’d had a 14-year “record” I was weirdly proud of until I got mono at age 21) but I am nowhere near as fearful about it as I was as a kid.

I actually think a lot of that fear was tied into the fact that I never knew when I was sick until it was, um, really obvious, so I developed all these superstitions about what was likely to make me sick and what made me sick, etc. Like, if I got sick when wearing a particular shirt I’d never want to wear that shirt again, because I’d think it was “cursed” or something like that. Eventually I realized I was being superstitious and that there was no empirical evidence that clothing or rituals could actually have any effect on whether I got sick or not, so that was the end of that, but it did last a number of years in childhood.

I also used to be afraid of certain buildings — like a local discount store in CT, and (for a while) the public library where I grew up. At the time, all I knew was that I didn’t want to go into them and that I had a horrible feeling of dread associated with them. I do remember, though, at one point realizing that my issues with the library had to do with “the lighting”, and looking back, I remember that that building did have some nasty horrid flickery fluorescent illumination. So I sort of wonder if whether in my case, the OCD-ish-ness was mainly related to (a) trying to feel like I had control over my body (since being sick was a very traumatic experience for me), and (b) having sensory issues but not knowing what they were. Either way, I don’t doubt that I may have been diagnosably OCD as a child, but I don’t think I’m that way now…perseverations feel very qualitatively different from obsessions. :)

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By: J https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17020 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:11:13 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17020 Okay, I don’t have autism or Aspergers or OCD or ADD or anything,

But…

There’s certain kinds of patterns (most strongly a semi-regular pattern full of holes, like a chestnut burr with the spines taken out) where I feel an intense urge to stare and at the same time this bizaare irrational fear of staring, like if I look too long and too deeply something awful is going to happen. I almost always wind up looking away, forcing my eyes to avoid the whatever, so I don’t get sucked in. Irregular honeycomb-looking things are the worst. I have absolutely no idea why.

I also occasionally sort things for relaxation. Pick through a mix of beads and separate them by color, alphabetize my music collection, things like that. It’s not a compulsion, just a comforting thing to do. And while I can eat colored candies (like M&Ms) without sorting them by color, I really prefer to.

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By: Makoto https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17019 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:15:27 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17019 These things have faded a lot as I’ve gotten older, but I have done the cracks in the concrete thing, and with the progression from pattern to intentional non-pattern. (One I is called “eye contact,” heh.) And, sometimes there’d be an intermediate phase of more complicated patterns; like a 5:4 ratio of steps to cracks.
Also walked on curbs a lot. And light switches had to be cycled 3, 5, 7 or 9 times (like the guy in “As Good as it Gets” does with door locks.)

Transitions to from fascination to revulsions I don’t recall having. I can’t stand the sensation of wood on my teeth (i.e. popsicle sticks), but that feeling of that would pop into my mind over and over. I never liked that sensation, but I suppose I was kind of fascinated by it. Also, for a time, there was a really unpleasant image of a needle piercing my finger tip (like clear though and out the other side). There’d be a jolt, and flash of pain. What’s odd is that never happened, so I don’t know where the imagery came from.

There were so many other things — my handwriting is bad, so if a letter was mis-formed I’d have to erase it and start over, but then the fuzziness of the erased-on paper would make the letter look sloppy, so I’d erase & re-draw again and again until there’d be a hole in the paper. If I didn’t get started doing that I wouldn’t seem to get stuck in the compulsion, though.

Nowadays all that is 95% gone, though.

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By: Evonne https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compulsions-and-reverse-compulsions-and-even-weirder/#comment-17018 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:34:29 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=356#comment-17018 Oh, yeah — and I was on a kick for a while, and still am occasionally, of speaking or thinking words in syllable groups of five, counting them out on my right hand, pinky finger to thumb, and always insisting on ending on the thumb. (Though I conceded to allowing really momentous words a count of the full five fingers as one, which permitted six-syllable phrases, i.e. “God save those born to die”, with “God” getting the whole hand.)

Augh, man, thanks so much for this post! I don’t think I’ve ever confessed these compulsions to anybody before . . . it’s so freeing!

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