Comments on: What Harold Doherty apparently won’t print. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/ Thu, 28 May 2015 16:57:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Lou https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-28421 Thu, 28 May 2015 16:57:08 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-28421 Reblogged this on Louellena's and commented:
Exactly what’s happened/is happening in NB. ABA (specifically Lovaas – DDT) is encouraged as the only ‘scientifically proven to be effective’ method for dealing with those diagnosed. And guess what? The only parent/caregiver course for dealing with autism is – ABA-based.

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By: rr https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-15868 Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:48:20 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-15868 It’s “such a tragedy” when some of us can’t speak (or some of us can’t speak some of the time, which I guess is seen not as a tragedy but as some sort of malingering). But the same people who wish desperately that we could talk… when we DO talk and they don’t like what we say, want to shut us up as fast as possible. It makes me wonder about the motivations of these people. I am not at all sure what the motivations are, or could be, when someone says they want something but want it ONLY their way.

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By: Jannalou https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-15867 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:53:56 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-15867 Chris,

I think part of the problem that you’re talking about is that some of the adults we meet online used to be those “lower functioning” autistic children. They still have struggles, and some of them are much the same as those they faced as children. I think we can forget about that because (in my experience) they don’t often talk about the struggles they face, and they are often very good at communicating via the written word.

I do, however, think that Amanda is a very good example of someone who is an incredible communicator but who qualifies as one of those “low functioning” autistic people. I know that it takes a lot of effort for her to make these blog posts, and that she expends the effort because she thinks it is important to give out the information. That’s why she did the CNN piece. I’ve known her for a number of years (online) and have always been impressed by her honesty about her own situation.

I myself have ADHD. I don’t consider it to be a disorder; it’s part of who I am and how I am – how I relate to the world, and how I think. Some people have more difficulties in their lives because of ADHD; others have less. I suspect I’m somewhere in the middle. But we can all relate to each other in some way, because we all face the same kinds of difficulties in life – they just might be more severe for some than for others.

I think that is likely very true for autistic people, as well. I suspect that “low functioning” autistic people and “high functioning” autistic people both face the same kinds of difficulties – the only difference is the severity of those difficulties.

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By: Chris Brett https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-15866 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:49:31 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-15866 I own / moderate a Google Group Parents-Of-Autism-UK http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Parents-of-Autism-UK?hl=en and added Mr Doherty’s link on :-
” Is the Neurodiversity Movement ashamed of the lower functioning members of the autism world ? ”

http://autisminnb.blogspot.com/2007/02/is-neurodiversity-movement-ashamed-of.html

I also like to think my group is unbiased ( that’s one of the reasons I created it ) so happily included this BLOG link to the group.

In principle and based on my own experience of some with AS via internet lists they do tend to almost disregard lower functioning members of the autism spectrum and their parents / carers. This may not be done, in many cases, with any malice, but it would appear Mr Doherty MAY be guilty of the very thing he accuses others of being.

I say One Autism / One Voice ! It is the only way politicians, agencies and those that hold the purse strings will ever listen to the needs of ALL those affected by Autism.

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By: Janet Bowser https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-15865 Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:34:14 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-15865 I am glad that you are writing about this subject.

It is so unfair that a person’s worth as a being is calculated upon what comes out of their mouth. That old phrase, “keep quiet and be thought a fool or open your mouth and remove all doubt” is one that my mother used to say to us when we were kids.

My son Charlie is very smart, talented, funny, I know this, but in expressive language he is very limited, receptive language is better, but still we are not sure how much he is able to process. Does that make him less of a person, less of a child? Less deserving of being a part of the community? Less in need of love? Send him away to an institution? Over my dead body and then some!

My child can not communicate as well as a lot of kids and for a long time we felt he would never speak at all. Now he can ask for things that are needs-based, wanting food, wanting to do something, but the deeper things that he wants to get across to us are told to us in his eyes, in the way he presses himself into us for comfort. He leads us along and we follow him and try to understand his language. Because he does have a language all his own.

He uses physical body cues to show pleasure or displeasure, or even indifference. He uses sounds and some degree of pantomime to show us what he wants. The fact that he has learned our language is so incredible. He truly is bilingual and it’s us that can’t learn HIS language, but we are trying.

There are things that I wish I knew, what are his dreams like at night? I know he dreams, but what are they like. When he is thinking, what is going through his head? Will we ever know? I wish I was telepathic sometimes.

But he’s a person with thoughts, feeling, intelligence and love. Even if we never have a “real” conversation at all (as defined in minutia by psychologists and speech therapists), I know that when we are laying together at night and snuggling, or when we play tickle or chase games without using any words there is so much going on that words could never express.

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By: jypsy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-15864 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:30:46 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-15864 Joseph, I mentioned that this censorship goes beyond his blog. He owns/moderates an autism list and it appears the news that Amanda was to be on CNN was something he didn’t want his list members to know.

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By: jypsy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-15863 Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:22:48 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-15863 We were discussing this very honesty/dishonesty issue elsewhere

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By: Joseph https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-15862 Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:15:40 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-15862 He didn’t approve a comment I made where I discussed Dr. Gernsbacher work, and how Mr. Doherty fails to acknowledge effective ethical research aimed at actually helping autistic children. I then discussed my son and how my wife and I have helped him get potty trained, etc.

He did approve a short comment I made correcting a factual error. That’s when he posted the “you’re unable to acknowledge…” comment. My response to that was not approved.

Mr. Doherty selectively approves comments in a way that appears dishonest to me.

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By: jypsy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-15861 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:52:25 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-15861 Did Mr. Doherty honestly forget the *Autism Safety Training* seminars Alex & I hosted on PEI? The fundraising we did to pull it off? The ongoing work we are doing with PEI’s municipal police, RCMP, Police Academy, Island EMS, Department of Education, Fire Marshall’s Office, Search & Rescue etc etc etc to try and keep Island autistics safe and in case on emergencies, allow for the best possible outcomes? Yeah…. we’re ashamed to admit there’s any safety issues involved here alright….
You hit the nail on the head Michelle. As did you Yarrow^Amorpha in your 2nd paragraph above.

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By: bullet https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/what-harold-doherty-apparently-wont-print/#comment-15860 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:04:57 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=313#comment-15860 When I was growing up I thought that how and who I was was just because of me. Nobody told me any differently and because I became increasingly withdrawn I never realised completely just how different other people saw me. Then I had my first child, a boy and it became increasingly clear that he was very different from the other children around him. Well, he was diagnosed as being on the spectrum at two years eight months. And because of his diagnosis and the leading up to it I learnt that I am Aspergers and ended up getting my diagnosis last year.
Now, when I spoke to my mum about the situation, to ask what I had been like as a child, whether she had noticed anything, that’s when she decided to tell me something she’d been keeping from me. The fact that I was different and haddifficulties had been noticeable not only to her and my dad, but to paediatricians, teachers and, well, practically anybody who either worked with children and adolescents or knew me for longer than a couple of meetings. My dad and a couple of paediatricians wanted me assessed. My mum refused and brushed how I was aside as she didn’t want me in a special school. To be honest, I don’t think that would have happened, but my mum’s fears of it happening ensured I was not given a diagnosis of anything until I realised why I am as I am.
So people who have got their diagnosis as adults haven’t just woken up and thought “hmmm, I’m a bit quirky, what can I label myself with”. If you go through your life not realising just how different you are then until you’re in a position to have it specifically pointed out to you, you don’t know.

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