Comments on: Gee this is familiar. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/ Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:01:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Kate https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15806 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:01:53 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15806 20 mins and I still make mistakes. I am sorry it should be
“If I could function in a WORLD” not WORD “where I never had to write”

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By: Kate https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15805 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:58:30 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15805 I am not autistic, but came to this site after seeing the news articles on CNN about Ms. Baggs and watching her video on YouTube. I never understood the loss of language in autistics until reading this post and your analogy makes it so much clearer to me. As a counterpoint, I would offer that I actually function in the opposite way, while I am not autistic, I am dyslexic, so actually typing this is very hard for me because my mind has to work very hard at putting down words and letters in the right order (and I apologize right now for any errors that you find), while speaking seems very natural to me. If I could function in a word where I never had to write but could only speak I would be much happier and productive. Therefore, I can understand your prospective where spoken language is difficult and you would choose instead to type.
(To give you a sense of my condition – the above took at least 20 min to write and spellcheck.)

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15804 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:00:11 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15804 Not bone conduction — most of the sound happening in a person’s voice takes place inside the body, resonating in various open areas. A person can make a fairly loud noise (at least I can) with no air escaping the mouth and nose at all. So plugging the ears (or even just popping them a certain way) just means that the ears are entirely listening to the resonant cavities inside the head, rather than external noises. It makes external noises softer and internal ones louder.

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By: andreashettle https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15803 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:18:17 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15803 Ok, I guess maybe this is a hearing thing that I don’t get (bone conduction hearing?)

Yeah, I get the “running around for a pen and paper” thing a lot too — which is sometimes nice (since, unlike you, I do sometimes need for people to write things down) but sometimes annoying because I *do* lipread some and there are times when I wish people would at least try that first, or at least *ask* which I prefer. Then there are other times when I need for them to write to me but they either can’t read or they just can’t seem to grasp the idea of writing as a means of communication. (Once or twice I’ve gotten this reaction: *gasp*! “You use WRITING for communication because you can’t hear! What a BRILLIANT idea! You disabled people must be so CREATIVE to think of these ASTOUNDING strategies …” Not that exact phrasing, but pretty much that tone. Yeah, sure, I’m so creative that I’ve come up with the exact same brilliant idea, oh, only 365 days a year since the age of 7. Gnrnk.)

Of course most people don’t know how to sign, though every once in a while someone will apologize to me that they don’t know how, which always puzzles me (do they really think that I expect the whole world to learn to sign? I mean, hey, sure, I would LOVE it if everyone did, but I’m a smart girl, I’ve had 37 years to figure out that most people don’t!)

Some years ago I had another friend (no longer in regular contact) who, like you, was hearing but could not speak (for completely unrelated reasons, though). She told me that she has had experiences where people not only assume that she is deaf but INSIST to her face that she MUST be deaf. If she tried to explain, the other person would insist she had to be in denial and had to learn to accept that she was deaf. So sometimes she would just give up and let people assume she’s deaf. Then they’d ask her if she could lipread. Then she’d say, “Yes, a little bit.” I asked her why she didn’t say that she lipread perfectly, or very well (since, technically, that’s pretty much true). And she told me that, if she tried to make that claim, people would either freak and act all surprised or not believe her again.

Other times, she pretended to be deaf in part because she identified with the Deaf community and was comfortable with the cultural identity even though she was actually hearing. She used ASL with people who understood ASL, and writing with everyone else.

When she and I went to restaurants, the waiters always got confused: they would try to talk to me because I was the one using my voice for both of us, but then I would always look at my friend so she could translate from their spoken English to ASL for me. Waiters couldn’t understand that SHE was the one who could actually hear and understand them, but *I* was the one speaking back to them!

Have you ever tried using the phrasing “I can hear fine” or the like, instead of “not deaf”? Apparently there’s research saying that people don’t parse negative phrases (particularly the word “no” “not” etc) as easily as they parse positive phrasing. So SOME people MIGHT parse “can hear you” better than “not deaf.” But then again, I can see where the general assumption that deaf means can’t speak, and can’t speak means deaf could still be strong enough to override that particular fix. Or else, if they do understand, maybe they’ll just try to tell you that you’re in denial :-)

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15802 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:53:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15802 No, I’m talking about speech. Speech is something you hear inside your head, so it’s louder if you put earplugs in than if you don’t.

Yes, people often assume I’m deaf, although the response isn’t usually to sign, it’s to stop talking to me altogether and run around frantically looking for a pen and paper to write things down for me. I at one point had a written thing that said “I’m not deaf, more like the opposite, please speak the way you always do,” and people would decide I was saying I was deaf, so I stopped using it.

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By: andreashettle https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15801 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:47:38 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15801 Amanda, re internal noises: I assume you’re talking about things like the sound of blood rushing in your veins, heart beat, etc? Okay, I forgot that hearing people hear those things (I don’t, and didn’t even know that it was normal for hearing people to hear those things until I was in my 20s). So, yeah, I can see the limitations of ear plugs in that case.

Re your situation and my friend’s: I guess this comes back to the oversimplifying stereotypes that people make. For my friend, the issue seems to be that people associate SPEAKING ability so strongly with HEARING ability that they seem to have trouble conceiving of a person who can speak so perfectly but who still cannot hear them. (Do people ever assume you’re deaf just because you usually don’t speak? Or assume that you necessarily sign more than you do?) For you, the issue seems to be that some people can’t seem to grasp that having one disability doesn’t make you magically immune to other disabilities or health problems.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15800 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:41:14 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15800 Yes, there is, and I use it. If that software didn’t exist I would not communicate by typing much better than I do by speech. I was not talking about it not existing. It exists. I use it.

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By: Clay Kent https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15799 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:37:37 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15799 I would tend to agree with the sentiments expressed here regarding the value of speech. As a non-autistic, I find speech more convenient than trying to type what I want to say, my blog being the exception. I certainly can’t type no where near as fast as Amanda and I certainly can’t type without looking at neither the keyboard or the screen. My handwriting is getting progressively worse as I age.

I would say that communication is what is important, not the method used to do so. If you can say what you want with a keyboard, or a pad of paper and a pen, or sign language, or anything else out there available, then you are communicating. The absence of speech in that communication is inane.

Amanda, is there any software you could use that would let you wait until you are finished typing all of what you want to say to activiate the speech mechanism? I’m thinking along the lines of a send command you can launch when you are ready for the automated speech to say what you have said in type. Just wondering.

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By: Julia https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15798 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:03:20 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15798 My husband gets migraines, and when he has aura, it’s a rare (but not unheard of) one — aphasia.

I discussed the whole speech process with him, and each part of the system has problems, but apraxia is the worst of it.

Now, he telecommutes, and spends an awful lot of time communicating and working by typing on a computer, instead of speaking, so there are times when he maybe had the aura — but he wasn’t engaged in trying to speak with anyone, so he missed it. Either that, or there was no aura those times — but it’s hard to tell one way or the other. His ability to type fluently and read and process text are unaffected until the migraine pain actually starts.

(He may or may not have CAPD, as well; he’s going to go for a diagnosis on that sometime next month.)

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/gee-this-is-familiar/#comment-15797 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:45:01 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=311#comment-15797 andrea: Ear plugs stop sound from outside the head. They actually amplify sound from inside the head (because they’re blocking out all other sound, but they can’t block internal sounds). So wearing earplugs would probably make speech more difficult.

With regard to your friend, I’ve experienced something similar I think. I use a wheelchair part of the time, and it has the effect of making people forget I’m autistic. (I have even had people tell me — only when I was using a wheelchair — that autistic people do X, Y, and Z, so they didn’t expect me to be autistic. When in fact I had done X, Y, and Z, all of which were clearly visible things, right in front of them, for the entire conversation.) Because of this, in some settings I actually try to get along without it (even though this means I can’t walk as far and experience plenty of pain and other problems, and will eventually end up needing the chair — or a bed — for a long time afterwards) just so people will remember that I’m not an NT-in-a-chair. Which is one of the weirdest versions of trying to pass for physically non-disabled that I’ve encountered: I attempt to pass for physically non-disabled (or physically less-disabled, by using a cane instead of a chair) at times so that people will remember I’m cognitively disabled.

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