Comments on: Pages by autistic men. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/ Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:03:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Torley https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15688 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:03:47 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15688 Friendly greetings! I wanted to say thanx for including me, and also share that my website’s currently at a different address with a simplified name: http://torley.com and it’s called “Torley Lives”.

Take care!

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By: Clay https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15687 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:49:56 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15687 Misu^Amorpha,

Point well taken. Although, I actually misworded my statement “…when dealing with straight males”. I should have said “…when making characterizations regarding straight males”.

I was taking exception to your stereotype of straights either being afraid of homosexual males, or being in fear that they are really homosexual themselves. That’s all. I hadn’t come to any conclusions as to your sexual preference because a. you never stated any preference, and b. I could quite frankly care less, as it isn’t relevant to what is being discussed.

Sorry you took it that I was assuming you were homosexual when you are straight. I hope this clears it up.

You said: “One can make observations about a group from within it, even if those observations aren’t flattering to many people in that group.”

I’m not sure if by group you mean the group of commenters that visit here often, or some other web group, or all males as a whole. Either way, you can make observations until the cows come home, what you can’t do (and be correct) is apply your conclusions to EVERYONE in that group. And that is what your stereotypical statement regarding straight males is doing and that is why I took exception with it.

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By: Tamsin^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15686 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:14:39 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15686 Slash fanfiction is a kind of fanfiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanfiction) that involves male characters together in romantic or sexual situations. It’s also, sometimes, written about real people– usually actors or musicians– Google on “real person slash” and you’ll probably get some examples ranging from the, uh, plausible to the downright absurd.

(The idea that most fanfiction is slash really isn’t and has never been true, in most genres– we used to write fanfiction, and never really encountered the overwhelming dominance of slash that some people claim exists– but it definitely is out there, and kind of hard to miss if you get into the writing scene for a particular fandom very much.)

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By: Misu^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15685 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:05:32 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15685 Clay Kent, it would behoove you to not make assumptions about me also. Did you assume I was gay because I said most straight men are homophobic? I am straight, and engaged to a woman.

One can make observations about a group from within it, even if those observations aren’t flattering to many people in that group.

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By: Charles https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15684 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:54:01 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15684 When I think of the gay community, I think of both men and women. I’m not sure what people in general think of when they hear that phrase. I was prepared to argue with Misu^Amorpha, but it seems that, at least historically, from a medical perspective, homosexuals were assumed to be all men. Have you read Joseph’s recent posting, “Is Homosexuality Really That Different To Autism?”

My experiences of the gay community mirror Amanda’s, (except for the off-putting part). I always assumed this was for the following reasons: being a gay male, I’m attracted to the same activities that other gay males are attracted to, and gay men tend to socialize with each other, for obvious reasons. I also believe that, (and I’ve seen some evidence of this, and it’s been confirmed by gay women), gay women tend to keep to themselves. Thus, gay social events open to both men and women tend to be mostly men. This appears to be less true within gay advocacy/political groups, (in my limited experience).

My observation is that, when gay women branch out into a wider community, it’s to the community of women, (both straight and gay), rather than the gay community, (both men and women).

There’s a simple, economic reason for why gay bars, business, etc., cater to gay men: the guys have the money. Gay women understandably find this off-putting, which only perpetuates matters, since they’ll withdraw.

What is a “slash fanfiction writer?”

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By: Clay Kent https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15683 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:41:18 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15683 Misu^Amorpha,

You said:

” I think most ostensibly-straight American men, anyway, have trouble disentangling their perceptions of gay men from their fear of them, and fear that they might be gay themselves.”

As a “straight” male, I can gladly report that neither am I “afraid” of gay men, nor am I laboring under the delusion that I might be just gay, myself.

It would behove you to lose such lame rationale when dealing with straight males. : )

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By: Misu^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15682 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:03:45 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15682 My personal take on why so many of the visibly gay celebrities are female is that it has to do with male homophobia. I mean, we certainly have run into women who say things like “eww, I hope those dykes stay away from me” or think lesbians are all out to rape straight women, and we’ve been harassed even when just walking around with female friends (for “being dykes,” etc, even though our appearance doesn’t quite fit the dyke stereotype), but it isn’t seen as a threat to other women’s femininity in this culture, in the way that homosexuality is seen as a threat to other men’s masculinity. I think most ostensibly-straight American men, anyway, have trouble disentangling their perceptions of gay men from their fear of them, and fear that they might be gay themselves.

…of course, coming out as a gay male celebrity is a quick way to earn fans with slash fanfiction writers, but on the other hand, they’ll write about just about anyone, I think, even if you’re visibly and obviously straight.

Most of the local LGBT groups we’ve been to did seem to have a higher ratio of males than females. And when people speak of “the gay community” in general, they usually are referring to men; lesbians end up forgotten or ignored. Even the Castro District is really about men; most of the shops are owned by and cater to men; you do see lesbian couples there, but they’re a definite minority. (At least, if it’s changed since 1999 or 2000, the last time we ever went there, we haven’t heard.)

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15681 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:45:56 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15681 Odd, then, that my actual experiences of the gay community (as opposed to celebrities) have been so male-dominated as to be off-putting.

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By: Charles https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15680 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:23:32 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15680 Just a belated comment….

Something that occured to me as I read this posting: well, the first thing that occured to me was I thought “dominated” would have been a better word than “overrun.” I not sure that there are *more* women autistic bloggers on the web; I just think they dominate.

But what occured to me as I read those words is that the same thing seems to be happening in gay advocacy. You have Rosie O’Donnell, Ellen DeGeneres and Mellissa Etheridge, for instance. In certain circles, you only need to mention their first names to know who they are. I’m hard pressed to come up with three names of male celebrity gay advocates who’ve done as much as these three women, (and if you only consider Americans, it’s even harder).

Something tells me that the reasons for *why* this is so for both autistics and gays are similar.

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/pages-by-autistic-men/#comment-15679 Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:04:55 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=305#comment-15679 about starting a blog, i think what Charles said is good. you could just have your first post be “this is what i think i might do with this blog, but let’s see where it goes in reality.” because it’s good to have a focus to start out with, but it’s also good to have flexibility.

alternatively you could start with a picture, and i don’t mean one of you unless you are comfortable with that… maybe just a photo that you took recently of some place or some image that means something to you. i suggest this only if that is the kind of thing that helps you start writing. it doesn’t to everyone.

my blog only really got going when i used it to post the pictures i made for illustrationfriday, but then mine is anything but an activist blog, although i admire activist blogs.

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