Comments on: Aspification https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/ Wed, 21 May 2008 20:50:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Melody https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14435 Wed, 21 May 2008 20:50:24 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14435 I have the Asperger diagnosis but do have significant difficulty with speech, though sometimes I can go on and on. Mostly it’s trouble initiating, though there are many things very different about how I produce and use speech to non-autistic people. I think that’s why the psychologist is considering me to be regressing (or in his words, “degrading”), because these difficulties before were only internally apparent, masked by a tenuous system of scripts and speech rhythms and pretending that I have comprehended words that just mushed together. Now that I’m in high school going to college, I can’t afford to just smile and nod when it comes to instructions or study materials; I have gained the ability to request help when needed and to explain – even through speech sometimes – what is going on. That’s an almost totally new skill for me that I’ve gained, and a useful one at that, and yet they see it as regression. *sigh*

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By: Yarrow^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14434 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:01:46 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14434 I think we’ve been involved in too many groups which all seemed to believe that they somehow, and they alone, had this complete immunity from prejudice or deliberate meanness or group mentality or just about any other bad thing that tends to happen when human beings gather together in groups. It led to some pretty bizarre and surreal moments with people making lengthy speeches about how they couldn’t grasp the mentality behind a certain thing, and then turning around and doing it to other people in that same group, just not necessarily in the same context that it might typically be done in. It ended up being an interesting way to mess with the minds of other group members, often– asking them to believe that whatever you were doing couldn’t possibly be That Thing, even if it looks like it, because we don’t do That Thing, so anything we might do that looks exactly like That Thing can’t actually be it.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14433 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:14:16 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14433 I’ve noticed that most people who believe they’re incapable of doing some common thing that people do wrong (such as herd mentality), or else people who take their not doing that thing in one situation as meaning they never do it, seem especially prone to doing whatever it is, being so convinced they don’t.

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By: laurentius-rex https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14432 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:23:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14432 Yes I am more than ever convinced that there is a section of the autistic community who are as busily socially constructed autism as only what they want it to be, as much Lenny Schafers autism community are socially constructing it as what they want it to be.

Both sides are equally appalling to me, and both are subject to the same social forces that constrain thinking in such ways.

This “aspie liberation” culture is no such thing as it seems to deny what is essentially autistic by virtue of being part of a binary set of thinking, a reaction rather than a revolution in thinking. Antithesis rather than synthesis if you want to get Hegelian about it.

There were people who were different and despised who were not “aspie” but aspification culture has no place for that. Aspification culture is setting itself up as its own straw man. I see herd mentality amongst a class of people who deny they can possibly be subject to it.

The belief sets of aspification mentality seem to be formed from the same clinical stereotypes as the curebies and give the curebies all the ammunition they need.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14431 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:17:13 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14431 I’ve certainly noticed it. A few other autistic people I know have noticed it. On the Hub that is.

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By: laurentius-rex https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14430 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:40:09 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14430 Well I am the ultimate cynic and pessimist cos I think aspification has permeated this hub somewhat deeper than some would like to admit.

I feel it is so bad that there are outright attempts to rewrite history like Stalin did, to write difference out of the picture except the difference that leaves some autistic people as “not us” in the Aspie glory trail of mythical superheroes created from dubious biographies.

I am definitely feeling tonight, that there are some here amongst us who are not so much promoting diversity as creating a new normal and woa betide you if you don’t come up to the specification.

“Hey look at Larry over there, we can’t let him be one of us, he is way too wierd and would show us up”.

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By: Julian^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14429 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:35:42 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14429 The stereotype perpetuates the myth that “autistic” is a personality type rather than something deeply structured in someone’s neurology.

*nods* And people’s attempts to establish “aspie solidarity” with me based on a diagnosis have always rung false and hollow to me. I get really irritated when people start doing the “fellow aspie” thing with me and it’s inevitably people who identify with that particular stereotype/personality-type and think I must identify with it as well: computer geek, socially indifferent, hyper-rational, logical, etc. None of those characteristics particularly apply to me, actually, which is not to say anything against people who do identify with the stereotype, except that I think there’s a certain danger in assuming “I respond to every situation with logic; therefore, every conclusion I draw must be reasonable and based on logic.” (Which is essentially the same as “I am a good moral person, therefore I can do nothing that is not good” with a different hat. And we’ve had enough of having our minds twisted around and backwards by “logical” types to automatically be suspicious of anyone who believes in the absolute logic of their own thought processes.)

…oh, and it’s ‘special’ when let’s-all-be-aspie-together types try to forge solidarity with you on the basis of the assumption that you’re irritated by emotional expression, or similar things. Not that we haven’t had people try to manipulate us with lots of overplayed crying and pleading and so forth, or insisting that their feelings justify everything, but making the a priori assumption that I see something illogical in, say, people having emotional reactions to major disasters, and that I would feel kinship with anyone else on the basis of that, is… peculiar, to say the least. (I might not show my emotional reactions in the way most people would, in this culture, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t there.)

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By: lordalfredhenry https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14428 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:13:50 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14428 I sometimes feel stuck with the term aspie and feel like I will be correcting constantly but maybe that’s what is needed. I feel like Asperger Syndrome is nothing more than autism and while people might want to play IQ comparison games, it’s not really much of anything different. “No significant verbal delays”, “desires socialization”, “high IQ” are not universally negative in autistics nor universally positive in those with Asperger’s Syndrome, hence the distinction is really kind of moot.

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By: lordalfredhenry https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14427 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:10:15 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14427 I understand your terse moments very well and I’ve seen them on occasion before. If I may paraphrase, it is saying that aspie is just a stereotype that erases the reality like most stereotypes do. They become super words that point to nothing. Words are not the thing and stereotypes are even less the things they represent. They are a handy mechanism that enables prejudice that denies difficulties and assumes certain talents while possibly denying many other unique talents in an individual. I imagine, that if every autistic were forced/coerced into a computer programming job and forced to live a geek life and be expected to have their cellphone fully programmed with everything and connnected to everything and have all the latest toys, we’d have something on the order of a 95% suicide rate. Yes, the stereotype is that bad if fully realized. Ms Clark expounds on it nicely about how it just sounds “nicer” to people who don’t want to have to confront a person’s atypical “baggage” instead of realizing it, dealing with it and appreciating people regardless of whatever ugly-to-society thing there may be behind the geek face.

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By: Berke^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/aspification/#comment-14426 Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:01:23 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=247#comment-14426 There’s an equivalent to “aspification” going on on the lj-multiplicity community right now. I mean, we’ve seen it crop up in other places, but there seem to be a whole heck of a lot of people yelling about it *now* for some reason.

It’s… well, similar to both the “I am a high functioning aspie, but the low functioning autistics need a cure and/or to be made high-functioning like me” and “Can’t you high-functioning aspies who are happy with yourselves just as you are understand that some of us are too severely afflicted to ever be happy with ourselves and need to have a cure” lines of reasoning. In that we’re being portrayed as playing an equivalent role to that of the “high-functioning aspie” and lectured about “you can’t understand the plight of those who are really suffering and REALLY NEED TO BE INTEGRATED.” (Again with the “you never really suffered” assumption. How does anyone think they can possibly tell from someone’s online presentation whether they have ever “really suffered” or not? And we’re being assumed to have some kind of fanatical anti-integration stance which we don’t actually possess at all.)

We should probably make this same topic into a separate entry in our journal, someday. “Functionalsystemification”? Hm, that’s a little awkward…

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