If the legal guardian explicitly refused to allow chelation, would you support their legal right to do so? If an autistic adult who could clearly communicate by typing expressed a desire for chelation and the legal guardian refused, would you still support the guardian’s right to make medical decisions? Or do you think people with autism should have the right to control over their own bodies when they agree with you?

And since you don’t think there’s a cure for being gay, does that mean you don’t believe it’s caused by mercury poisoning? Was the post I cited a joke of yours, or have you changed your views? Personally I’m relieved you’re not attempting to cure me.

This doesn’t make sense to me. By this reasoning, nobody would ever blow the whistle on anything dangerous if it was in use by anyone else.

“Do they know better than scientists and parents?”

They *are* parents. Does that make them right?

“some kids here are having Lupron forced upon them. Urine injections too. Deadly EDTA injections too. So is there a problem that Dave is bothered by this? Deal with the fact that the Seidels have taken autism advocacy up as a cause and that Lupron abuse is in their crosshairs.”

Well, whilst they have Lupron in their crosshairs they also have the parents. Could cause a little friction. Do they know better than scientists and parents? Hmmm…

It is evident from post 38 and post 99 that you support rounding up autistics, denying them the legal right to make decisions, and subjecting them to chelation, by force, if necessary. In this comment thread http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=360, specifically in comments 53 and 56, you suggest that homosexuality may be caused by mercury. Do you also support rounding up all gays and lesbians, depriving us of legal control over our lives and forcing us to submit to your treatments?

1. Stop calling each other names

2. Stop acting like obnoxious children in a schoolyard. “LA-LA-I CAN’T HEAR YOU” is not useful conversation, it’s something I expect from spoiled six-year-olds.

3. Stop making all sorts of snide little putdowns and personal attacks.

4. Don’t make any threats of violence, veiled or otherwise. I’m not stupid and “not that I would condone this” doesn’t absolve you of responsibility for making such threats. Do not even try to convince me you’re not doing this, just stop it.

Most of all, after I post this, do not reply to tell me that those on the “other side” are doing this, because they’re idiots or morons or insane or mentally unbalanced or whatever your current disability-derivative insult is. Again, do not try to convince me that you’re not doing this, do not use what I am saying as leverage to hurl insults at the other side, do not try to flip things around to make yourself blameless and put someone else down. Do not simply go more veiled with the way you are doing this. Just stop. Now.

I’m sure all of you are grown up and capable of telling the difference between a debate, even a heated debate, and a mudslinging match. Heated debate I don’t mind, but that’s not what is going on here.

Most of you — on all sides of this debate — are acting like children. Grow up.

I will be moderating this thread from here on out. If you don’t want your well-crafted arguments to disappear into oblivion, don’t do this stuff, because I’m not going to waste my time editing out the bad parts, I’m just going to check the “delete” box on your comment. This goes for all of you. I’m not going to ban any of you at this point, but I’m not going to put up with schoolyard nonsense either.

(To the person who thinks I engaged in this before: I think otherwise, but the point is that I’m moderating this stuff from here on out, not erasing old posts, mine, yours, or anybody’s. End of discussion.)

“Some day your child and mine are going to have to try and function as autistic adults in a world that people like you made think they are plague carriers or diseased.”

I don’t know what your problem is, but it must be hard to pronounce.

“..the children have to be restrained by two adults..”

Your knowledge of autism must be limited. Some autistic children have to be restrained to have their hair cut. Why don’t you stick to washing dishes.

Of course, you know better than all the parents and scientists, not. Do you think that parents trying to help their disabled kids will really give a shit what you think. As long as they can do what they feel is necessary and safe for their child you will pale into insignificance, along with Kathleen Infidel.

Just as well you don’t have any influence in the treatment of disabled kids or you might find a group of vigilante parents queuing outside your door to beat the living daylights out of you. Ditto for kev, Andrews and Monkey.

Not that I would condone that.