Comments on: Unathletic: The Problem with Standardized Testing https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/ Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:21:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13791 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:21:23 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13791 tinted: I was institutionalized mostly in childhood, and my parents had the photographs in their possession. I got them after I moved out on my own as an adult. I have not spent much time on the streets (a matter of days), and when I did, I had an unlivable apartment where all my belongings were — I was in a weird position of having to live outside but not truly being homeless. The air in my apartment was unbreathable (due to improper ventilation of concrete and wallboard dust during construction), but it was not damaging to photographs.

The only things I had with me outside were my communication devices, my wheelchair, and a sleeping bag. People did try to steal my wheelchair at some point while I was sleeping, but backed off and ran away when they realized I had my leg wrapped around it. Plus there were two of us out there, which meant that during the daytime someone could always stand watch. So miraculously nothing of ours got stolen, although I think if we’d have been out there much longer we’d have had to either move locations or we’d have been in real trouble.

I’ve by no means had the experience of being fully homeless, as in not having a place to store my possessions. Some of my friends have, and you may be confusing me with them.

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13790 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 07:09:20 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13790 i can identify w/ Tapetum about testing. i flat-out know that i test better than many people more intelligent and/or intellectual than me, in fact i also say “people who can think circles around me”.
i have an ability to memorize certain things, which has nearly always got me much better grades than those who can’t memorize but when they do learn things they learn them more deeply.

have to admit that i was placed in ‘remedial’ phys ed class (weightlifting, of all the horrible punishments!) for failing the presidential fitness test in high school.
i will probably never forgive the gym teachers for letting the great majority of the class (those who passed) play FLOOR HOCKEY during the weeks that we ‘losers’ were in the weight room, floor hockey being the only gym-class sport that was fun for me.
i suppose the multiple people i would have hit (i was somewhat random at hockey) were grateful, though.

i have since tried running (that was fun but i don’t think my knees could take it now), kung-fu (a great failure, because i can’t remember the moves fast enough) and would like to try soccer, just because i am sort of a fan and i find it an elegant sport (o jogo bonito). but where can a nearly 34 y/o female who is not any good (yet?) play soccer? there are “old farts'” leagues, but they expect you to be athletic. i can tell from the shape of the person who invited me.

PS: dig the yellow chuck taylors, Amanda!

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By: tinted https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13789 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:05:33 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13789 I have no childhood photos. I have practically nothing more than a few years old, because of being institutionalised and made homeless so often and for so long that I regularly had to dump or have taken from me everything I owned. My parents used to have photos of me when I was younger, but my mother threw most of them out so now there are just a couple of school and family photos that I am part of.

How come you managed to hold onto yours, given all the abuse you’ve been through in institutions and on the streets? Who looks out for your stuff when you’re in meltdowns?

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By: 403 https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13788 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:35:39 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13788 J wrote:
But I can’t do even one pull-up, no matter what. Which suggests there’s something other than straight-up arm strength being measured.

Going by where I remember aching after doing abysmally on that same test, the muscles used in a pull-up are different from the ones I use to lift stuff. – Given that there are only so many ways to safely lift objects, I imagine that’s generally applicable. ..Now I’m going to have to find a horizontal bar somewhere and test that again.

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By: Clay Kent https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13787 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:58:16 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13787 My older daughter, Veronica, looks exactly like you (you could be twins) in these photos…but I doubt that she had that agility at that age, at least in terms of what I and her mother had ever witnessed. Which serves to cement the wrong diagnosis you recieved back then.

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By: J https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13786 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:21:20 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13786 I thought it might be something like that. Using a certain specific kind of communication as a measure of your ability to communicate. And I agree. Taking something as broad as communication and judging it entirely by such matters as ability to follow certain social conventions is ridiculous.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13785 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:26:22 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13785 J: The test took the form of a multiple-choice form filled out by a staff person.

There would be an item of something I might or might not do, and the staff would have to rate it in one of four ways. For instance:

1 = Never or rarely
2 = Sometimes
3 = Always

Or something like that.

And there would be statements like:

1. Says hello and goodbye appropriately.

The staff would have to fill in how often I did these things without assistance.

As it turned out, everything under communication was one of those things I don’t do. Saying hello and goodbye. Using various social niceties. Telling people when something hurts. Etc. Things I just cannot do in realtime.

Which actually makes sense, since the test was supposed to measure “useful” things as “useful” is defined by various bureaucracies. The academics section of the test was likewise about whether I could apply academic knowledge in real-world settings, not about whether I understood things. (Which was how it should have been, actually, for that test, since the test was about getting into services, meaning about practically applied stuff, not knowledge stuff.)

But I still find getting the lowest score possible for communication slightly ridiculous.

In other words, just as my body is not shaped in a way where sticking my legs a foot apart and measuring how far I can move my arms past them would be a reasonable measure of my flexibility, measuring certain parts of communication that I happen to really suck at doesn’t accurately measure my overall communication skills.

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By: Julian^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13784 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:35:35 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13784 Our whole history re “athletic tests” was much along the lines of what you describe– we were said to have no endurance, no strength, no flexibility and no eye-hand coordination. In actuality, only the last one is true to any extent, because our depth perception is very bad, but then, we were always good at video games, which people tend to cite as an example of an activity requiring eye-hand coordination. (This is also the problem of subsuming a lot of separate things under the category of “spatial skills,” too. Visualizing something mentally and perceiving the speed or distance of an external object, for instance, are completely different things.)

In the few chances we *did* have to show off our actual skills, like on nature hikes and so forth, people always expressed amazement at how far we could walk, as the assumption seemed to be that if you can walk, it follows in some linear fashion that running a mile will also be easy for you. Then this would be used as proof that we were supposedly “holding back” from demonstrating our “real skills,” and could actually run, catch balls, be flexible in the way they had defined as flexible, etc, if we “really wanted to” or if we would “just believe we could do it.” Of course, we never could.

The last time we took a standardized test, we ended up telling the doctor who was administering it (who was an utter, arrogant ass) that it wasn’t fair to time the tests, as it made people anxious and how fast you could do something wasn’t an indication of how *well* you could do it. He replied, “Well, *most people* agree that speed of completion is related to intelligence.” ‘Most people’– who are ‘most people’? Public opinion is not a guide. ‘Most people,’ historically, have believed a lot of things with little relation to the truth.

…also, it’s interesting how many people will concede that maybe there are *some* people whom standardized tests don’t work on, but then continue to insist that such tests and that concepts of general skill or general intelligence are accurate ways to judge ‘most people.’ (Again with the ‘most people’– I’m starting to wonder who these mythical ‘most people’ actually are. It’s like the .5 child that most families evidently have.)

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By: KimJ https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13783 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:58:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13783 I had the same problems, and the harassment I’d get for it from the teachers. They’d make me hang there for a while “trying” to do that one pull up that I told them was impossible.
Most of my lifting strength is from my legs, as it’s supposed to be, especially for women. I worked for years, lifting 100+lbs people and stuff.

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By: Autism Vox » Unathletic…….not! https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/unathletic-the-problem-with-standardized-testing/#comment-13782 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:52:41 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=216#comment-13782 […] As Ballastexistenz posted today: According to the standardized tests that were used on me physically for gym class in school, I was decidedly unathletic. […]

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