Comments on: Wow. Stuff about the anti-political nature of therapy. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/ Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:57:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Linkspam! | A world that loved monsters https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-23076 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:57:01 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-23076 […] Wow. Stuff about the anti-political nature of therapy. (also really […]

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By: Psychiatry, freedom, and noninterference « Urocyon's Meanderings https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-13184 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:22:03 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-13184 […] linked to a Ballastexistenz post which also deals with this: “Basically, this ‘therapism’ has taken over […]

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By: Samantha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-13183 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:57:04 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-13183 I’ve never understood the attitude that people need to be self-accepting and stable before they can start working to change the world around them. For those of us who are actually personally affected by problems with the world around us, it’s absolutely the reverse. When I actually do self-advocacy or other kinds of social change work, I (justifiably) feel like an effective, strong person (in addition to the fact that, you know, sometimes I actually make my life or someone else’s life better); when I sit around talking about how sad I am to a therapist, I feel like a sad person. Of course, this fact could get co-opted and turned into a concept of “self-advocacy therapy,” but in some sense it is true: effective personal/political activism is both personally and politically helpful.

I do use a therapist, but I think that I would probably stop if I didn’t feel like my therapist was my cheerleader, someone who really is just trying to make sure I’m safe and help me get past the things that stop me from being an effective person. I am lucky to have the privilege of discontinuing therapy whenever I want (in fact I had to fight to get it), and that pretty fundamentally alters what “therapy” means to me.

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By: Melody https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-13182 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:36:53 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-13182 This is such a frustrating thing. In my health class we even had a class exercise where we were supposed to “practice I-statements”. I am often chastised for trying to solve practical problems in practical ways because “I’m not taking everyone’s possible emotional reaction into account”. If it’s a practical problem, it needs a practical solution. Save the emotional-disscussions for when people are having the sorts of problems that require emotional solutions.

Especially as an activist, you need to be able to stand firmly on your ground. People seem to think that by taking other people’s emotions into account and addressing their perspectives that you’re all of a sudden supposed to walk on eggshells anytime we bring up something that needs to be addressed. Yeah, I’ll preface that most people seeking a cure for autism are indeed trying to do the good thing. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to apologize for opposing cure because I’m making someone “feel like a bad parent” even when I didn’t make any such insulting claim, but rather explained my perspective and why it’s so important that it be listened to, that we can’t take things lying down, no matter how good the intentions. What was that saying, again, about the pavement of the road to hell…?

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By: Julia https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-13181 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:53:33 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-13181 And the third link:

http://www.feminist-reprise.org/docs/cardea.htm is the functioning link now.

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By: Julia https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-13180 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:50:15 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-13180 Second link also broken, same domain problem.

http://feminist-reprise.org/docs/kitzinger.htm is a functioning link, appears to be the document in question.

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By: Julia https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-13179 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:01:52 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-13179 The first link was broken just now — the document has been moved to another domain.

http://feminist-reprise.org/docs/therapism.htm works for that.

(And while I don’t mind being a sounding board for friends, or holding them as they cry during a crisis, I cannot be in therapist mode for my friends. It doesn’t work for anyone involved.)

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By: Thirza https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-13178 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:02:56 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-13178 I love your posts Amanda. I made a video once about I statements turning into a way to berate and abuse a bad girlfriend. Actually, at this one festival, some friends and I were in a mental health program and the panel afterwards had two people with MI’s and two mental health care workers (uh huh), one of whom went on a long tangent as to the real meaning of my friend Laura’s video. When Laura stood up to explain what she was really talking about, she mentioned something really personally painful in her experience in the system which was part of her video. And the health worker said, ugh, and I quote “How did that make you feel?” Bleh!!! And apparently my video reminded her of conversations with her patients. Icky. It’s funny how “benevolence” can be so malevolent.

Oh yeah, and the method/means thing, when I was in the ward my panties were confiscated because I could hang myself with them. I had no idea, an orderly told me this. I’ve never looked at panties the same way!

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-13177 Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:35:56 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-13177 The trouble with motive, method, and means, is…

Not everyone’s going to tell you that they’ve got any of these things, even if they do. Not everyone’s even got a known method or means even if they’re really going to kill themselves.

And if they do have these things, it doesn’t mean they’re going to kill themselves.

One of my shrinks in the past tried to get people to figure out every possible way they could kill themselves by looking around a room. (The guy was twisted in several dimensions, this is the least of it.)

This means that, right now, I could find “method” and “means” in almost any situation, regardless of whether I have “motive”. I have extensive training, the guy would point things out if people didn’t notice them. I know how to kill myself in just about any situation where I’m not either immobilized or otherwise being physically prevented from doing so, and that includes not just one but several possible plans, almost without thinking about it.

But it also means that the instant I acquire “motive,” then if I disclose the fact that I have all these methods at my disposal, I become a much higher “suicide risk” supposedly.

The time when I lost all remaining scraps of naivete about the psych system, I was persuaded by a worker at a suicide hotline to check into a psych ward overnight voluntarily — the next day I would be able to easily get other preventative measures in place at home, but for various reasons, not that day. I not only ended up in the psych ward because my extensive knowledge of methods and means impressed the suicide hotline worker, but I ended up tricked into an involuntary hold.

If I hadn’t had someone around to take me out against medical advice, there’s a good chance I probably really would have died there. (Not from suicide, though. I just know how that particular psych ward operates — lots of forced drugging with drugs I’m very allergic to with pretty much no provocation, total ignoring of drug allergies even in people whose throats are swollen half-shut.) And they had a really hard time believing that just as I’d checked in to prevent my death, I was also checking out to prevent my death. (They even accused me of not really wanting to kill myself if I didn’t want to stay for three days.)

Extensive knowledge of how to kill myself says little about my likelihood to actually do so. Other people don’t necessarily have a plan, but will impulsively figure one out on the spot the moment before they carry out that plan. I could come up with dozens of plans this instant, some of them incredibly easy, based on the room I’m in — and I can do this almost without thinking.

I bet that even if I said that I didn’t really want to die, the sheer multitude of my descriptions of exactly how I could die if I wanted to would convince most psychiatric professionals that I was just concealing motive, rather than lacking it altogether.

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By: Redemption Blues » Carnival of the Feminists 22 https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/wow-stuff-about-the-anti-political-nature-of-therapy/#comment-13176 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:47:41 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=168#comment-13176 […] Amanda, at Ballastexistenz in Wow. Stuff about the anti-political nature of therapy confirms something I have always suspected (although my own experience of psychologists are utterly trivial in comparison to hers), namely, that in most instances therapy is all about taming and squeezing the recalcitrant client into a pre-determined mould, about forcing you to conform to social definitions of normality, reconciling you to the circumstances, which are causing you acute pain and distress in order to improve your “functionality” as opposed to tackling the root causes (the aforementioned circumstances) themselves. All that therapists teach us is to bottle up/suppress our anger rather than release it more fruitfully. Thus, as Amanda so perceptively explains, therapy is directly inimical to political action, narrowing the focus to the individual, “repairing” a “defect” instead of interrogating the iniquities of an unjust situation. A dazzling assault on the tyranny of experts, the literature cited also makes it a treasure trove for anyone interested in the dangers of avoiding confrontation as well as the corrosive effect therapist-dependence has on genuine human interaction. One brief excerpt ought to suffice to whet the reader’s appetite: “Therapism makes it so that friends don’t actually have to do things for each other, there are professionals for that. It makes it so that if one person is assisting another person more at any given particular amount of time, this can be considered ‘co-dependent’ rather than a part of the natural ebb and flow of a relationship. Aside from encouraging selfishness, therapy seems to encourage an incredibly superficial kind of friendship wherein if any problems arise for your friends, you aren’t expected to help in dealing with them, you’re expected to tell them to go to a professional”. […]

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