Comments on: Double standards. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/ Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:45:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Elnora Johson https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-23562 Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:45:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-23562 Hi…I’ve been through some deep deep depression for the past 5 years of my life. Believe me, I have told my mom and she feels bad for me. We have no money for counciling or anything like that. I hate hearing the “Close-my-eyes-and-breath- deeply act”. Please…I need help. I’m not suicidal but it’s ruining my life. I’m in my teen years and it’s now a double depression for me and I need help. My mom and dad divorced like, many years ago and my mom found someone and she’s been with him for many years, also. I never liked my stepfather…He is super tough and is in the military and he always calls me retarded and messed up. I feel so alone because I have two younger siblings (boys) that drive me nuts and I feel that my mom is the only one who keeps me sane. I’m afraid to tell mom what mental abuse my stepfather has been putting me through because it will break up their relationship and it WILL ruin my life even more in many ways. I just MIGHT go crazy. Please help me. What am I to do?
I am a boy, just so you know. I also hate my biological father and I DO know that others have it worse.

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By: Ana54 https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-12985 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 04:37:36 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-12985 Thank you Amanda! This topic has been bothering me in my head for some time now.

The world is a scary place.

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By: Jeni Hill Ertmer https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-12984 Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:25:31 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-12984 Very interesting points – from all angles.
I came here from Whitterer’s blog – my granddaughter (age, almost 4) is autistic -PDD-NOS -high functioning, so they tell us. When she gets angry at us or upset, near meltdown at times, she may throw things, scratch, squeeze your arm or another body part or bite. Ok, these are not exactly desirable characteristics one wants children to use -regardless if the child is autistic or not. (And MANY, MANY “normal” children do these things too, ya know – and a lot of those kids, their parents, for whatever reason, do not try to discipline them against those actions.)
Because, yes there is a double standard that often operates, sometimes it may seem it is autistic vs NT, but sometimes I think it is also that some parents disregard some of these actions too when they occur in their own children but place heavy regard on them when they crop up in others children -regardless of if the child has “issues” or not.
Behaviors that can be or are harmful to others or one’s self, should be taught to be undesirable, at least in public. When my granddaughter has a meltdown at home, we try to calm her initially by simply getting her attention -which sometimes works, sometimes doesn’t. In public, it is a bit different,as all too often people don’t understand that there may be something in her mind, unseen to us, that has tripped a trigger there – an elevator for example can at times set her off and she will lay down immediately and proceed with the kicking, screaming, crying, wailing. And, again, because most people don’t know her, think she is just a little child, uncontrollable, spoiled, etc.,or they offer their aid but have no clue about the cues we give her to try to re-settle her, when she gets louder, nastier (yes, I said that word), they look at us with this look that says “You are raising a terrible child.” So do you just allow these actions to continue, try to calm, try to explain -to teach behaviors that are more acceptable or what?
I know some of her behaviors are coming from the disorder, but if they are allowed to continue, where does one draw a line in the sand on discipline? On what constitutes acceptable vs non-acceptable behavior whether the child is autistic or not? I’m just asking here – not trying to cast judgement – but some seem to say that these actions are ok because it is the disorder, others say autistics are the same as NTs and on and on it goes. I guess what I mean is we don’t like double standards in any aspect of life and yet -at times it does seem that it is acceptable too.

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By: Whitterer on Autism » Blog Archive » The art of disguise https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-12983 Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:55:50 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-12983 […] more mature and balanced perspective about how parents like me, misinterpret matters, please visit “Amanda” at her […]

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-12982 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:24:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-12982 Amanda, thank you for explaining about SIB for non-speaking and speaking people. Sorry if my question was stupid, but I think I understand it better now.

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By: autiemom https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-12981 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:29:40 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-12981 I have a hard time wrapping my mind around anyone classifying a whole group of people as not feeling pain. I can’t even imagine someone like Temple saying that, despite all her other statements about how it would make sense to weed out the low-functioning autistics but not the high-functioning ones, like her, who benefit (rather than put a drain on) society.

Re: trichotillomania.

I didn’t know there was anything wrong/abnormal with this until about 2 years ago, when I stumbled upon an article on it. In other words, when I was bleeding and not feeling it, and when I was ripping my hair out and investigating how cool and slippery the hair root was, and how the tip of each hair root has a black dot on it, and how you can slide the hair root off the hair…I just did it, and didn’t think about it or wonder if other people did it. In other words, there wasn’t a “name” for it in my mind as a child.

I wonder how many things do not become “sick” in a person’s mind until after they are told by someone else that it is “sick.”

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-12980 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:54:41 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-12980 Oh, and I find the over vs. under-sensitive stuff to be far too simplistic, even when applied to so-called “sensory issues”.

And yes, feeling pain but not registering it the same way as everyone else outwardly is one thing. And there’s more than one reason for not feeling pain when you do get hurt. And then there’s expressing pain early in life but getting told over and over “that didn’t hurt!” until you don’t trust your perceptions. And there’s not being able to conceptualize pain very well despite feeling it. And there’s feeling it and reacting to it but not consciously noticing it. And there’s having a chronic pain condition that by comparison makes other pain feel like nothing, or that actually results in diminished touch sensation in some areas but increased in others. And… so forth. There’s a lot of things, and I can’t do them justice right now.

What I meant, with regards to abuse, was that whole entire kinds of people get declared unilaterally incapable of pain, and by extension incapable of suffering when abused. That’s one reason why I wouldn’t classify “all autistics” that way, nor even “all nonverbal autistics” (Tito has done that and it’s one of the few things he’s said that has really pissed me off, because he basically says that if an autistic person can’t speak then you shouldn’t worry about hurting them because they won’t feel their body much anyway, which is only true of some, and not all “innately”). It’s just not true in any universal sense and sets people up for abuse.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-12979 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:47:36 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-12979 I remember the first time I heard of trichotillomania. I was sitting in an institution ripping my hair out, and a few staff decided to have a conversation like I wasn’t there.

Something on the order of:

“My cousin’s best friend did that… doesn’t that have a name or something?”

“Yeah, it’s called trich-o-till-o-mania.”

“Mmm.”

“Yeah.”

The odd thing is I don’t remember this conversation occurring only once. It seemed to occur rather frequently in my presence, and the fact that I was there was almost never directly acknowledged at all.

I have bald spots but I have such thick hair that they don’t show up unless my hair is really short. (Shorter than it is right now.)

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By: autiemom https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-12978 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:24:26 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-12978 Holy cow, I just remembered that I did this for a long time:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/trichotillomania/AN00026

I have no idea if this is considered a kind of SIB or more of an OCD, or if the two are related.

I still pick at myself, practically all over myself, all the time, but I don’t pull out my hair anymore because I’m trying to hang onto it in my old age ;-)

I first started thinking about this “under-registering” and “over-registering” pain a few months back, after answering several caregiver questionnaires given to me by my autistic 4-year-old’s occupational therapists.

Ben is an “under-register” according to their questionnaires, whereas my other son is an “over-register” of pain. Not only that, but the same thing goes for fears. Ben is hardly scared of anything and will approach classically scary things, like people in clown suits and dogs or whatever, and David is phobic of a lot of things even to this day.

I can definitely see how someone could look at someone’s OT profile in let’s say an institution (if even something like that would exist, I don’t even know), and see “under-registers pain” and use that as an excuse to inflict pain on that person.

The other thing I was thinking about was this. On top of Ben supposedly “under-registering” pain, he has severe motor planning difficulties in the area of language. I wonder if it’s really a myth that he under registers pain; rather, maybe because of his motor planning difficulties, he doesn’t cry and scream as fast or as intensely as nonautistic/normal kids would because the signal is not getting to his brain at the same rate.

In other words, perhaps the pain is just as painful but the outward behavior suggests otherwise, and because he can’t verbalize his pain it is just assumed that he is under-registering it. I can see how this can set somebody up for abuse.

All I can do is speak for myself when I say, I did NOT and generally do not (I just remembered slicing my hand open on a catfood can in adulthood…it’s all coming back to me…) feel those things the way I “should have” felt them. It was like I was watching somebody else bleeding. Ironically, I can’t watch other people’s *papercuts,* let alone gushing blood. My stomach literally flip-flops when it comes to someone else, but I can inject myself and cut myself and it doesn’t really bother me at all. The cuts start to really hurt when they are healing, however.

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By: bethduckie https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/19/double-standards/#comment-12977 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:52:30 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=183#comment-12977 ‘sometimes they mean a sense of detachment from their body, and self-injury brings them back into it’

I think that explains it for me very well. It isnt about pain or hating myself because actually I think I’m rather fabulous and I dont really like pain/ discomfort. I find stimming has the same effect if not suppressed. I have subtle ones for work!! yup, it feels like it stops my head spinning off somewhere scary when things are stressful.

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