Comments on: Myth-Debunking, and an additional myth https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/ Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:57:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: sanabituranima https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12752 Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:57:59 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12752 Great post, and thanks for the link about rabbits. I didn’t know that.

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By: autiemom https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12751 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:56:45 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12751 PTSD alert: Don’t watch if this will affect you to the extreme.

Just added to You Tube two days ago:

Human Rights Abuses at the Judge Rotenburg Center:

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By: Evonne Acevedo https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12750 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:55:12 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12750 Honestly, Amanda, I believe many parents come to you for validation because you write often about debunking others’ perceptions of you based on how you “look”, and because you happen to be particularly articulate. That makes folks think twice about how they’ve evaluated other people in the past — possibly think twice about how they’ve judged their own children. With that comes a guilt factor, and a need for your approval, and an impulse to be “nice” to you — and I suspect folks think that asking you for advice or validation or whatever is a compliment to you, and that you ought to appreciate them valuing your opinion, and in turn be “nice” to them because they’ve flattered you, and tell them what they’re doing is okay — or, rather, that they are okay — because, again, folks tend to not want to distinguish between approval of their actions and approval of themselves.

I seem to recall a comment somewhere on this site in which a person apologized for having “argued” with you in another forum. (S)he was obviously motivated by some schmaltzy form of guilt, most likely brought on by you citing and shattering some illusion someone had about you; this person may have maintained the same illusion and felt bad for doing so, and therefore forfeited whatever (quite possibly valid) argument (s)he had with you for the sake of being “nice”.

Your response was somewhere along the lines of “If you had a valid argument with me, no apology necessary.” Fight the power, my dear.

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By: Baba Yaga https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12749 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:32:34 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12749 This has nothing to do with (and I’m not saying you were saying that, but frankly I’m not sure) excusing what goes on inside those buildings called institutions.

I should have been more careful about how that read. Sorry. Didn’t untangle my thoughts far enough.

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By: Laurentius-rex https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12748 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:50:05 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12748 The prisoner was a classic series and one that left a lasting impression on me because I feel a lot like No6. I can’t settle down to a life looking like everyone else and doing what everyone else does just for the sake of peace and quiet.

Oh well how does it go “questions are a burden unto others, ansers a prison for oneself”

With the number of cameras about these days we can never be sure when we are being watched or not, never mind that eerie police helicopter that flies over the estate from time to time.

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By: lisajeancollins https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12747 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:28:43 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12747 I meant to say, there would be no need for activism (autistic rights, disability rights, human rights) if everyone were free.

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By: lisajeancollins https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12746 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:25:55 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12746 When I write, sometimes I don’t even know what I mean until I’m writing it…or maybe sometime afterward.

You bring up something very interesting that tangentially relates to this: the inevitability factor. I’ve been thinking and writing a lot about this on my group for autistic Christians. We’ve been talking about the subject of war and how the Bible speaks of war as inevitable (wars, rumors of war) and yet how Christians are called to lay down the sword. Sometimes Christians use the Bible to justify Christian *participation in* war, whereas I have been trying to show that saying something is going to happen inevitably is not the same as being given the green light to participate in it. Likewise, being an onlooker and saying that one party has the right (or not) to defend itself in a war is not the same thing as saying that you are “pro war.” But I digress…I think.

I thought about what I meant by the idea that “institution” is a state of mind. It kind of reminds me of that British series The Prisoner. He thinks he has finally escaped, only the joke’s on him because even in the “outside world” beyond that island where his room is bugged and so forth, he is still “inside” and he can never escape.

The horrors of institutional facilities that warehouse people can be felt to lesser but varying degrees in the “outside word” where people are presumed to be “free.”

This has nothing to do with (and I’m not saying you were saying that, but frankly I’m not sure) excusing what goes on inside those buildings called institutions. What I’m saying is that control, coersion, manipulation, social isolation, and other things that go on where there is no accountability occur in daily life where there is *also* no or little accountability.

Unless society as a whole changes drastically in its view toward people who are different, the institutional state of mind will remain in society and people will not truly be free. People wouldn’t need to be “activists” anymore.

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By: Baba Yaga https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12745 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:27:37 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12745 If “institution” is a state of mind as well as a building or a system, I’m not sure if there’s any way to get away from it completely.

I think that’s true. That doesn’t make it untrue that ‘institution is a state of mind’, however (perhaps I should borrow that phrase next time I try to explain about brickless/ invisible institutions). And whether or not it can be eradicated, that state of mind should be countered wherever it’s found – starting inside oneself, but not neglecting the world.

No-one claims that murder’s all right just because it’s patently ineradicable; yet we’re asked to believe that *convenient* wrongs are all right. ‘But we can’t do without institutions’ does not equate to ‘institutions are good things’ – especially since it’s the most vulnerable whom we propose to make *more vulnerable by putting them in institutions.

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By: Laurentius-rex https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12744 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:25:18 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12744 I’m not broadening the definition of institution it is a common enough one from Sociology, the classic work on Institutions is by Goffman, he talks of institutions and total institutions, the institution is not the building but the degree of control it has over your life, and in the total institution, the classic asylum, the army, prison, convent, boarding school situation the total control it excercises.

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By: lisajeancollins https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/myth-debunking-and-an-additional-myth/#comment-12743 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:29:28 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=175#comment-12743 I just heard this song on the radio and thought about what I just said above:

What’s up
4 Non Blondes

25 years of my life and still
I’m trying to get up that great big hill of hope
For a destination
I realized quickly when I knew I should
That the world was made up of this
Brotherhood of man
For whatever that means
So I cry sometimes when I’m lying in bed
To get it all out what’s in my head
Then I start feeling a little peculiar
So I wake in the morning and I step outside
I take deep breath then I get real high
Then I scream from the top of my lungs
What’s goin’ on
And I say hey…
And I say hey what’s goin’ on
And I say hey…
I said hey what’s goin’ on
And I try, oh my God do I try
I try all the time
In this institution
And I pray, oh my God do I pray
I pray every single day
For a revolution
So I cry sometimes when I’m lying in my bed
To get it all out what’s in my head
Then I start feeling a little peculiar
So I wake in the morning and I step outside
I take a deep breath then I get real high
Then I scream from the top of my lungs
What’s goin’ on
And I say hey…
And I say hey what’s goin’ on
And I say hey…
I said hey what’s goin’ on
And I say hey…
And I say hey what’s goin’ on
And I say hey…
I said hey what’s goin’ on
25 years of my life and still
I’m trying to get up that great big hill of hope
For a destination

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