Comments on: Research on dehumanization. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/ Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:51:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Happiness, Part 2: In which reality is twisted « Urocyon's Meanderings https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12683 Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:51:32 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12683 […] we come to the overt bigotry, dehumanization, and objectification. Not all of this is necessarily conscious, though sometimes it […]

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By: sub-human « Not Like Those People https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12682 Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:45:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12682 […] Addendum to sub-human and sub-human, redux: Ballastexistenz and her readers also comment on this study. Posted by notlikethosepeople Filed in Psychology, Holocaust, prejudice, nazi propaganda […]

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By: sub-human, redux « Not Like Those People https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12681 Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:42:55 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12681 […] Addendum to sub-human and sub-human, redux: Ballastexistenz and her readers also comment on this study. Posted by notlikethosepeople Filed in Holocaust, prejudice, nazi propaganda […]

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By: rocobley https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12680 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:48:50 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12680 Larry, Hobbes was nothing more than a propogandist for authoritarian government, and should be read as such. I rather suspect that most of these reactions are learned, rather than biological, although there probably is a biological component in that all of us ‘sort’ things into categories (are they ‘like us’ or not being only one of many sorting procedures). This kind of sorting and judging isn’t always a bad thing. For myself, if I see a pic of a Muslim, I always feel an automatic positive, as I am very strongly supportive of the Islamic community in the face of the current wave of Islamophobia they are facing. I think if the judgements you make are an emotional reflection of solidarity that you feel with oppressed people, that is surely a good thing?

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By: Kallandir https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12679 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:09:32 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12679 People have got the same “not all here” impression from my eyes, and interpreted it in various ways. My gaze has been interpreted as anything from “piercing” to “blank”.

The shape of my eyes has also drawn mixed reactions. It has been called “exotic”, which I find as icky and demeaning as the people who make more overtly prejudiced/nasty remarks.

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By: Julian^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12678 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:44:06 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12678 Oddly enough, though, the same factors that cause some people to recoil from or dehumanise me will attract others. Since I was a baby my family and I have got compliments about my appearance and my “big eyes” and how “thoughtful” I apparently look. Then there are the people who are uncomfortable even being in my vicinity. It’s a strange kind of split.

Yeah, I have the big eyes thing going on as well, and have gotten a combination of reactions to it– some people have said it’s beautiful, other people have told me that it’s creepy. When I was younger, there were a number of people who got really angry with me because they thought I was staring at them in an insolent way, and some people seemed to think I was mocking them or deliberately trying to irritate them. None of which I was consciously trying to do. Some of the people I was accused of staring at I hadn’t done much more than glance at.

Apparently, something about my eyes also gives some people the impression that I’m “not all here.” This has been interpreted favorably, as “lost in thought,” or negatively, as “spazzing” (a word which, as applied to me, seemed to have connotations of thinking there was either nothing going on in my head or that I was absorbed in some ‘fantasy,’ and fantasy seemed to be regarded by a lot of people as just barely above not thinking at all).

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By: Gabriel Ragland https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12677 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:29:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12677 Admitting that these traits exist in oneself, whether culturally conditioned or biologically inherent, what does one do about them? This isn’t the first time I have wondered.

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By: n. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12676 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:04:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12676 sorry that post about homeless people was halfway off-topic.

I couldn’t write something directly pertaining to the post because I was still processing that idea about the dehumanizing first impression. I think it probably makes a lot of sense, I mean, it sounds like something humans do.

I think I used to be a little scared of some of the nonverbal autistics I knew (not sure why, unless I was nervous because of not knowing what to do) before I knew about my own autism. But I have some vague memories of getting along OK with 2 people I knew while I was in middle/high school, although I didn’t know how to communicate with them. One guy later got into facilitated communication, with his mother, and it was great for them except when people didn’t believe it was real, but this I only know from phone conversations that my mother had with her before they lost touch.

Right now if I see an autistic person, I sort of have mainly the same curiosity as when I see anyone who “looks interesting” (although, as I have learned from my students, many people are interesting who give off a “totally normal” vibe at first glance). I have met some aspies (other than my parents and husband) in real life and it was ok, but it would be interesting to meet some other autistics.

Here’s something curious: I am not a neatnik at all, I vacuum as seldom as possible, and (weather permitting) I do wear my clothes several times before washing them, etc. But I try to look and smell clean. And I was realizing that I judge people a lot on first impression if they and/or their clothes seem dirty, which given the previous statements, is totally hypocritical.

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By: Jennifer https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12675 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:54:21 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12675 This entry reminded me of a study being done at Harvard-0-the Implicit Association project. There is a website https://implicit.harvard.edu where anyone can participate in tests on your subconscious associations with different groups of people. There is a variety of tests, for example, race, disability, religion, skin-tone, weight, sexuality, gender-career. After you complete the test, you are presented with the results, for example, you show a moderate preference for non-disabled people, or you show no distinguishable preference, etc. I read about the IAT a year or so ago in the book Blink by Malcolm Gladwell. He made the point that you can alter your result by thinking about particular individuals from a specific group who left a favorable/ positive impression prior to taking the test. This was an important lesson for me personally–to know that I can change my subconscious snap-judgment responses not just for a test but especially for how I think of others as I encounter them in the world. I have learned much from your writings, and I know that you and others have influenced my conscious and subconscious thinking on autistic people.

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By: laurentius-rex https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/research-on-dehumanization/#comment-12674 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:36:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=173#comment-12674 Well Ms Clarke, read your Thomas Hobbes and you will see the nastiness in human nature, the nihilistic destructive ultimate pessimism that seems to me the way it is.

All the scientificati have done is confirmed what I could have (and probably did) be telling you time after time.

There is always in this world “us” “cosa nostra” and “the other” and I cannot say that autistics are any less implicated in this “original sin” for I see it in AFF and Grasp and indeed I cannot say I have never been guiltless myself, because from my position a tree is more human than human

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