Comments on: Having emotions versus therapizing emotions. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/ Wed, 30 Dec 2015 16:46:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Autismus und Gesellschaft: "Kultur und Ignoranz" von Dinah Murray https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-28891 Wed, 30 Dec 2015 16:46:10 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-28891 […] 15 Ballastexistenz: Having emotions versus therapizing emotions. […]

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By: disequilibrium1 https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-24702 Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:03:57 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-24702 The first words out of my fingers were “thanks so much for sharing your insight,” making realize how difficult it is to escape therapy-think. Anyway, I think you’re spot on about therapy.

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By: Autismus ist keine Störung: Auswirkungen einer gestörten Welt https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-12439 Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:57:26 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-12439 […] ? Ballastexistenz: Having emotions versus therapizing emotions. […]

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By: raksi https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-12438 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:53:46 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-12438 Were you ever interested in using art materials as a child in order to express your self: a happy dance with paint? kinesthetic scribbles? i know you don’t like to talk about yourself much but i would be so curious to know as i work with auties and art

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By: Rachel Hibberd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-12437 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:23:56 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-12437 anon,

I had the same problem when I was working at an inpatient treatment unit. I finally just quit when I realized that everything I was doing that I thought was any good was just being undone by the cruelty of other staff. I wish I had an answer for it.

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By: Rachel Hibberd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-12436 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:56:26 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-12436 On “process”–

Another way I’ve heard people use the term “process” has to do with the relationship between the therapist and client. When there is some wierd thing going on between the therapist and client, that remains unspoken, “process work” means naming that wierd thing and talking about it and figuring out a way out of it if that thing is harmful. It can also mean taking that thing as an example of what may happen in other relationships of the clients’, and using it as “practice” to help the client figure out how to get out of the wierd thing with other people.

It’s all kind of vague and abstract, so here’s an example. Sometimes with chronic callers (people who call once every couple of days) at the Crisis Center, there’s a thing that happens where the caller prefers to chat about superficial things than talk about emotionally-laden topics. The problem with this is that the volunteer can spend hours tying up the phone line chatting, while other people can’t get someone to talk to. So the volunteer tells the caller about this early on in the relationship. If the caller keeps slipping into “chat mode” whenever the volunteer broaches a topic that is too hard to talk about, the volunteer might make a “process statement” like this:

“I notice that whenever I bring up This Emotional Topic you have a tendency to change the subject to something less personal. We’ve talked before about how hard it is to talk about Emotional Topic, and how you wish you had someone to chat with. However, when we’re talking, if you don’t feel comfortable talking about things that are really bothering you, then it would be better to hang up and call back another time.”

Then the caller and volunteer might talk about WHY it’s hard to talk about personal stuff, and even possibly about how this might happen with other friends the caller talks to. They might talk about how this affects other relationships besides the one on the phone (although it is somewhat different, because it’s normal for friends to spend most of the time just chatting).

One problem with this whole idea is that a lot of people assume that if there’s a wierd thing going on between therapist and client, it’s because of the client’s issues, not the therapist’s. Ideally, the therapist would be able to examine this and be honest if it’s some personal thing of theirs that’s contributing to it.

Either way, the idea is that bringing these dynamics into the open in an honest, nonaccusatory way is better than letting them fester.

I think a good therapist should be comfortable recieving negative feedback from a client, like “You seem to be trying to convince me that you’re right about Some Decision, rather than letting me figure it out for myself.”

Finally, I think that “processing” and “process statement” is another term that gets used as a meaningless buzzword sometimes, kind of like “empowerment.”

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By: Rachel Hibberd https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-12435 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:45:29 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-12435 I think it’s valuable to be able to do some of both. If you intellectualize your emotions all the time, you miss out on a lot of the richness of life. You also probably make it hard to have intimate relationships, since you never feel anything in a way that other people can empathize with.

On the other hand, I’ve found that it’s valuable for me to be able to “detach” myself from my emotions at times. This is basically as Alison Cummins describes in an earlier comment; I can recognize my feelings in a more abstract level than just feeling them. This allows me to strategize ways of changing them, if I want to. It also just plain allows me to remember that just because I happen to feel depressed, the depression is not WHO I am. Tomorrow it is possible that I can feel good. If I feel worthless, I am not worthless. I’m just having these feelings in reaction to something that happened. It’s hard to explain that in words, but it’s almost like the feelings are less damaging to your identity that way. Of course, it helps to be able to recognize when you’re “detaching” and “immediately experiencing.”

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By: anon https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-12434 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:55:39 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-12434 Amanda

I had some things happen recently that make me ask why people with disabilities are not allowed to have emotions at all. One person was upset because they are leaving a situation that they have known a long time, and a supervisor remarked that “THEY are just reacting to the staff’s emotions.” Like there is not thought or self involved. And then when someone was hurting and crying, they were accused by people of just trying to manipulate a situation to their advantage. It wasn’t until a “wound” was found that it was even possibly considered that the person might actually be in pain.

These are non-verbal people, and it seems tthat because of it they are somehow seen as unable to be fully human- just input and output machines with a few quirks thrown in.

And as a person who is working with people who dehumanize people in this manner, what is one to do? It is never said meanly, more matter of factly, and I am left to think it would be to others benefit if I just shut up and treated these people the same way others do. But, that ain’t gonna happen.

It is just soemthing I wonder if you have written on previously and specifically.

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By: caty reed https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-12433 Fri, 18 May 2007 22:00:36 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-12433 I heard that psychotherapy was actually started by Stalin’s secret police, I belive called the NKVD, or something like that. The head of it at the time, a man named Beria, actually gave a speech on how therapy was to be presented as scientific under medicine “psychiatry” and how “Now we can do in 5 years what used to take us 70 years.” He meant changing society and the individual in order to control both. If you don’t belive it, google it under “therapy beria nkvd control” etc etc. We have been a therapized society here on America for at least 30 years ( these ideas saturating the schools, colleges, workplaces, media, magazines etc) and society has gotten so much worse. People are ruder, stupider, less educated, more disfunctional (drugs, divorce, families dissolving. Nowdays everything is about ME ME ME!!! What do I want, What are my feelings? Forget about you!! Therapy makes people self-absorbed and terrible company as they only think of themselves. This is done on purpose. If you have ever known a man who has been therapized, and has been taught to whine about his feeeeeeeeeelings like a scare pathetic old woman it is quite horrifying and it makes you want to vomit. No woman wants a frightened little wimp, The powers that be do not want any real men in our culture who will stand up to corruption, so they are turning the males into feminized psuedo-males who are so busy “exploring their inner landscape” they don’t know what a normal man is. Yes I briefly dated one of these and it was horrible. I have also tried therapy myself for a problem, and all I can say is that these “therapists” are world class con artists, bastards, idiots, liars, and PARASITES making a dishonest living off of confused dupes. Therapy is a lie and it is POISON. It erases common sense and makes you weak. It is designed to saturate your mind with politically correct lies and control your behavior to benefit the very rich and the government, so they can exploit you. It is really all about money.

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By: Alison Cummins https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/23/having-emotions-versus-therapizing-emotions/#comment-12432 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 05:46:15 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=169#comment-12432 Aha! My personal bugbear is not so much therapy-speak in the big world but therapists themselves. So I was completely tickled (as in giggly-happy) to read in an advice column (I am addicted to advice columns) the following problem and answer. Problem: man’s wife is both a jerk and a therapist. Predictable answer 1): Man should get therapy. “You need to know why you accept such treatment. Why do you let her get away with it? Why don’t you stand up to her?” Less predictable answer 2): The couple should see a therapist together. “And I mean a *real* therapist. Someone who is used to working with other therapists and can see through their cons and games.”

This column is by Cheryl Lavin, someone who presumably is quite familiar with therapist cons and games, being a therapist herself. Ah, recursivity.

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