Comments on: Who can call themselves autistic? https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/ Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:57:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Corpsebride https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12259 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:57:17 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12259 LB, what you said about overload makes perfect sense! I am NT but I have an issuse with sensory overload, maybe more NTs do that will admit to it. The first thing I do when I am overloaded is to escape. If I was forced to stay in the overload situation I would feel anxios, angry and desperate. Fortunately I can walk and find my way around so I can leave voluntarily. How on earth could it help an autistic kid who would experience a hundred times the overload I get to be forced to stay in the situation. Why not just call it torture and be done with it.

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By: Baba Yaga https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12258 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:13:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12258 Zilari: I am more convinced than ever that the psych industry doesn’t really know much in the way of accurate information about the autism spectrum at all.

That doesn’t surprise me at all. In point of fact, I think the majority of psych types know very little that’s meaningful about a lot of the things they’re supposed to ‘treat’. And seeing everything in terms of symptoms and pathology, how can they? I don’t think I ever had a shrink interested in what I could do.

Athena Ivan: I follow. (A bit too well for comfort.)

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By: LB https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12257 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:27:31 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12257 Ettina wrote: It was only after I expressed an unpopular opinion (not wanting to cure Angelman Syndrome) that they started claiming my posts were irrelevant.

My viewpoint about how to handle sensory overloads (because I have personal experience with what works for me) was dismissed on a parent group because it went against their common sense thinking of forcing the child to stay in the overloading situation. Apparently you “cure” sensory overloads by increasing the exposure. When I suggested pretty much the opposite – looking for clues that your child is starting to get overloaded and leave the area and find a quiet place to regroup – it was dismissed as teaching the child to be avoidant (lol). It was funny though when a well respected therapist on the group told them that what I was suggesting was right on.

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By: Ettina https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12256 Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:28:36 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12256 “But I know, to my own satistfaction that I’m autistic–I fit the classic Asperger’s profile so well it’s almost a parody (Just substitute ships for trains). But even if I am wrong, my experiences are so similar to those who are autistic that sharing them, and sharing my opinions, can not be anything other than helpful to people who are confirmed to be on the spectrum.”

I’m officially diagnosed and atypical (the best description to quickly sum up is “between Asperger’s and demand avoidance syndrome”) but I know what you mean. I got told that what I said on an Angelman Syndrome list was “irrelevant” because I don’t have an Angelman child and autism isn’t Angelman Syndrome. Meanwhile I was a) stating clearly that I’m autistic and therefore my experience is not the same as an Angelman Syndrome person’s, and b) describing mostly those things that had a higher chance of being similar, such as sensory issues (present in Angelman Syndrome as well). What’s strange is that when I actually posted most of those posts I was thanked for my input. It was only after I expressed an unpopular opinion (not wanting to cure Angelman Syndrome) that they started claiming my posts were irrelevant.

“I personally find the idea that speaking privately and speaking publicly can entitle one to two differing viewpoints is verging on the dishonest. You may well say that you never meant for the original email to be made public. I can believe that as it is ill-judged, erroneous, assumptive and incendiary to say the least. However, I’m a strong believer is personal responsibility. If you said something, I can only assume you meant it as you wrote it. Why would you do otherwise?”

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By: Athena Ivan https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12255 Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:38:17 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12255 Zilari:
The short post you wrote, goes to show that NO ONE, or more accurately, NO TYPE OF PROFESSION is TOTALLY immune to stereotypical thinking. That means, that there will be SOME people in any field (you mention psychiatry. There are more in this field as I believe you are pointing out). The study of the mind (Psychiatry)is not precise science, like chemistry or physics, and these stereotypes are things that people can really wrap their minds around, (they’re concrete, precise-note that doesn’t mean correct, necessarily, examples of some abstract ideas. Or, what psychiatrists think are abstract. I’ve succeeded in confusing myself now, but does anyone think this makes sense? I know what I want to say but I can’t put better words to it.
Baba Yaga: “especially those who’ve grown up having to play down their autistic characteristics for safety’s sake.” by typing that, you’ve put words to an idea that I have had for a while now. Much respect and many thanks. I’ve been playing a much watered-down autistic (and therefore diagnosed Aspie) character I created, for ages now. For the reason I have copied above. That character (Athena) is half of me. The other half (Ivan; I’m female so the half the world sees had to be the “higher functioning” for lack of better expression, female character….the other half is just as equally me. I never act as half though, at least I try not to. I try to make the world believe I am a seamless whole. Because otherwise, I would have no inner fortress untouched by the world, nothing to retreat into. I’ll explain more of this story later. I’m glad to find a place where I can tell the truth about myself. Anyone else have this sort of, living life as a character most of the time, experience?

ai

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By: Autism Vox » What does autism look like? https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12254 Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:36:12 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12254 […] Amanda at Ballastexistenz asks Who can call themselves autistic in noting that “autistics.org has put out an editorial on the letter A Danger In Speaking that was sent out by Tom McKean to various leaders in the autism community, urging them to get formal diagnoses to prove that people are autistic before they speak at conferences.” […]

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By: zilari https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12253 Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:58:34 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12253 Shrinks go far more by stereotypes and prejudices than those who consider them Authorities realise; and real people rarely fit stereotypes.

This is very, very true. After a recent experience with psychiatry I am more convinced than ever that the psych industry doesn’t really know much in the way of accurate information about the autism spectrum at all. Which is sad, bizarre (considering that medicine is supposed to be based on science!), and dangerous.

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By: Athena Ivan https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12252 Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:53:21 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12252 hey
Hope your hands are feeling better today.
ciao
ai

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By: Baba Yaga https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12251 Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:22:07 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12251 It occurs to me that a non-autistic imposter might have an easier job of getting a diagnosis than many autistics, especially those who’ve grown up having to play down their autistic characteristics for safety’s sake. Shrinks go far more by stereotypes and prejudices than those who consider them Authorities realise; and real people rarely fit stereotypes. But a half-competent imposter could play a stereotype.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/who-can-call-themselves-autistic/#comment-12250 Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:09:22 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=158#comment-12250 Forgot to mention, I have the stuff that would by medical people called Tourette and OCD. Have since I was a kid including highly elaborate rituals followed from irrational terror. Never got diagnosed. Even when I ticced up a storm in some institutions and stuff it was taken as other things, punished, seen as attention seeking all through special ed, and is these days confused with the autie mannerisms I have. I don’t need a medical professional though to tell me that I have motor and vocal tics and that I have what are considered by psychiatry to be called obsessions and compulsions including some quite stereotypical ones.

Lacking a doctor’s diagnosis does not mean I twitch any less than diagnosed Touretters. And getting a diagnosis would be possibly dangerous, I am deathly allergic to what is used to ‘treat’ tics, plus it gives me more tics and compulsions not less. But I would expect another Touretter would not need a diagnosis to understand that I tic. Of course, Touretters have far more voice in the Tourette community than auties have in the autistic community… urgh.

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