Comments on: A couple handy lists for dismissing autistic viewpoints. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/ Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:37:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Rodentfancy - Representing Autism: Culture, Narrative, Fascination https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/#comment-12038 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:37:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=142#comment-12038 […] by accusations that we are “not really autistic”, that we are either “not autistic enough” or “too autistic” to know what we are talking about, that our experiences cannot be considered representative of […]

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By: mark https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/#comment-12037 Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:48:37 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=142#comment-12037 I love this post, I have seen some very good points brought up
that can stifle us right away in other blogs, one of them is the
useless attitude of “not like my child” “NLMC” that was so aptly
brought up by Bev at Aspergers square 8. This totally shut my
mother down, “NLMC”.

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By: LB https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/#comment-12036 Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:43:31 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=142#comment-12036 I have a son with HFA and I have had OCD since childhood and during one discussion on a parent group I was told that the OCD had effected my ability to relate as a child and therefore my ability (apparently) to decide if I was happy being more self-isolating. I really had to admire the incredulousness of someone to make a statement like that. It is so utterly dismissive.

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By: zilari https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/#comment-12035 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:11:56 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=142#comment-12035 Huh…wow. I’ve gotten a few accusations on both sides, but oddly enough, the majority of them have been from the “you’re too LOW functioning” side! I say “oddly enough” just because for so many years I had no idea what autism was…I just knew that there was something weird about the way I was treated, and the way people reacted to me, but it didn’t occur to me that my brain was fundamentally different.

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By: Berke and Shiu^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/#comment-12034 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:09:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=142#comment-12034 I’ve also seen the “too much/not enough” line of reasoning used in discussions on various so-called mental illnesses. Most often, it was in the context of telling anyone who wasn’t currently in therapy or taking drugs (even if only because the “cure” turned out to be worse than the “disease” and they HAD to learn to manage it on their own), especially if they lived independently, that they weren’t sick enough to understand the plight of those who need these things. No matter how “severely affected” they had ever been described as being in the past, no matter how poor a prognosis they were given, and even if they had been described in the same ways as Those People at any time in their life. (Even though descriptions of that sort inevitably reveal more about the observer than about the subject of the descriptions.)

If you suggest that whatever you experienced that had been described as a disorder was, in fact, not necessarily a sickness, or even just a different way of being in the world that has its own advantages and disadvantages, then you tend to get hit either with the charge that you’re too sick to be involved in the debate, or are an attention-seeking faker because you don’t act sick enough. That you’re “faking mental illness for attention” (right after you get through saying that you don’t think it’s an illness) and “you can’t possibly understand how sick, fucked-up, crazy, suffering, etc, Those People are, don’t try to talk to me about Those People, I know just what they’re like, my mother was a psychiatric nurse who worked in an institution and I know all about Those People.”

About getting hit with both sides at the same time– yeah, we’ve experienced some of that, and the “Anyone who holds such crazy beliefs as that shouldn’t be trusted to speak for themselves. Oh, wait, but I don’t mean you. You aren’t like all The Others. You’re sane and decent and rational and etc, etc.”

I remember particularly a few debates about plurality in which multiples were declared unfit to speak for themselves because simultaneously “these people hold these bizarre, wacky beliefs and are obviously insane and need either to be institutionalized or laughed at and left to kill themselves” and “I/my friend/relative/etc worked with Those People and I can tell you definitively that these people are faking because they aren’t sick enough.” When someone who actually did fit the clinical model would enter the debate, they would be told “that condition doesn’t really exist, it’s made up by attention-seeking fakes” and “you obviously are too sick to say anything rational,” at the same time.

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By: Jesse the K https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/#comment-12033 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:00:20 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=142#comment-12033 This analysis captures the heart of Joanna Russ’ How to Suppress Women’s Writing. Until very recently, the paucity of published women writers enabled men to define the terms of what “real writing” was.

It’s exciting to see how your work, along with the Autism Hub and the scores of others linked here and elsewhere, are beginning to similarly change “what autistic humans are capable of.”

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/#comment-12032 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:20:35 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=142#comment-12032 I’ve seen “splinter skills” used against older autistics too, and also against in people who have obvious intellectual talents but don’t score well on IQ tests (translated into staff-ese: “he’s severely retarded but he’s got this splinter skill where he memorizes spatial information…” blech).

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By: Ms Clark https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/#comment-12031 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:37 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=142#comment-12031 “Funny, you don’t look autistic” :-)

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By: Alexander's Daddy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/26/a-couple-handy-lists-for-dismissing-autistic-viewpoints/#comment-12030 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:05:12 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=142#comment-12030 You might want to add “Splinter Skills” to devalue the abilities of very young autistics.

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