Comments on: I’m the monster you met on the Internet. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/ Sat, 05 Aug 2017 14:17:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: QOTD: Empathy and projection « Urocyon's Meanderings https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-23545 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:29:18 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-23545 […] has written some excellent things about projection*–from facial expressions and body language on “up”–before, but yeah. I get […]

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By: Celticmoni https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-11756 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:15:27 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-11756 You are so unbelievably brilliant, Amanda. I don’t think people understand how priveleged the view from the outside of what society assigns as priveleged can be. I’m often judged by my “flat affect”, meaning my face shows no expression, to be having a depressive episode. Mainstream society can’t deal unless it can catagorize someone’s physical presence in terms with which they are familiar and comfortable.

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By: Ballastexistenz » Blog Archive » Wow. Stuff about the anti-political nature of therapy. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-11755 Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:59:31 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-11755 […] Both of those paragraphs, again, sound a lot like things I’ve seen happening within assorted groups as well. And this really describes well how under all kinds of “I am nice” signals, people can be controlling, manipulative, authoritarian, and self-centered, while of course directing most of that to people who aren’t sending the same signals. […]

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By: Veronica https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-11754 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:47:08 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-11754 At some point, you just gotta throw in the towel and not give a shit about “being nice.” My high school English teacher used to say that “nice” was the most meaningless word in the English language, and therefore we weren’t allowed to even use it in papers.

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By: Sufficient Scruples » Blog Archive » Limping Up to Expectations https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-11753 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:10:51 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-11753 […] Anyone who has experienced both limping and using a wheelchair will tell you that public reactions to the two appearances differ. Same with manual chair versus power chair, white cane versus guide dog, invisible impairment versus visible one(s), and, Ballastexistenz claims, with dog versus sans dog for her as a person with autism. Visual differences cue stereotypes, and breathing on one’s own versus towing a ventilator on my scooter also makes a discernible difference. Most notably, even fewer people are willing to make eye contact. . . . […]

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By: Andreas https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-11752 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:26:05 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-11752 Okay, I looked back up at what I wrote, and while I was thinking that, I pretty clearly wasn’t writing that. What the hell? Um. Sorry.

— ACS

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By: Andreas https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-11751 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:15:14 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-11751 Just to clear things up, BE, I didn’t mean to imply that you had to be intentional about ethics, just that you have to be more intentional than most people about making “I am nice” signals.

— ACS

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-11750 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:41:24 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-11750 Are you saying that the “I am nice” signals are a predictor of actual ethical behavior, rather than ethical words?

If so, I should mention that I also meant the signals override any (un)ethical behavior the people in question engage in, as well as any (un)ethical words.

Most of the torturers I’ve known are “nice people” and that’s part of why they manage to avoid even a reprimand. One woman I know used to do all kinds of awful things to people, but she was “nice”. I don’t mean like Dolores Umbridge in Harry Potter either, who was sickly-sweet fake-nice. This woman had the demeanour that caused people to believe that she was a down-to-earth, somewhat hippieish, and absolutely caring and loving woman. Even if they saw her doing things to her “students” that can only be described as severe abuse. Her “nice signals” overrode her actions and made them seem less heinous.

I have seen the same thing happen with murderers and attempted murderers. (Including ones I’ve known. Uh, background, I’ve lived in institutions, I’ve known a lot of really scary staff. That’s how I know all these people who’ve done these awful things, and observed how people perceive them based on the other signals they give out.)

I also remember a particular woman who I picked up on immediately as really scary. But I knew that she was sending out some kind of signals I could barely read, and they turned out, from what other people described, to be definite “I am nice” signals. She turned out to be doing a number of illegal and horrible things to both her coworkers who worked for her at the agency she was in, and the disabled clients of that agency. Whenever coworkers found out about her, I noticed they were always shocked, “…but she seemed so nice.”

But there are also people in which there’s much less… I don’t know the word. Much less malice maybe. Much less intentional misleading in the “I am nice” signals, much less overt scariness than that woman. I have known a number of people who have done major and minor things wrong and gotten away with it on the “I am nice” signal grounds, including one woman who, stunningly, confessed exactly what she was doing and why, knowing it was illegal, but still manages to be okay somehow, because of the ever-present “I am nice”.

The staff person I described in my post, was successfully slandered and nearly prevented from getting any more jobs, which was made far easier by her lack of “I am nice” signals and the definite “I am nice” signals of her fairly slimy bosses.

Last year I was (along with many others) in a life-threatening situation due to the actions of a particular agency (not a disability agency), and we were basically told, including by the mayor himself, that the head of that agency was a nice and generous person and that therefore we should not bother him with little things like our inability to breathe inside his housing project. (I’m not making this up.)

I’m not sure how much that last one was “I am nice” signals and how much it was the ever-present social networking crap.

But I’ve definitely seen “I am nice” signals cover stunningly unethical actions, as well as words.  (I also, to clear up any confusion or generalizations about autistic people, do ethics largely by instinct, but I describe them in words.)

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By: Andreas https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-11749 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:05:38 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-11749 You’re right, BE, about the “I’m nice” signals being potentially deceptive. But that’s not quite what I was talking about.

What I meant is that a lot of neurotypical people act according to their monkey brain — the social-functioning “coprocessor” — rather than according to the logic-processing higher functions. Even when what someone is saying is obviously unreasonable and offensive, when it’s combined with OH SO NICE signifiers, the OH SO NICE signifiers may be more predictive of their personal behavior than the unreasonable things they’re obviously saying; most NTs don’t think about ethics as something they think about, other than as a series of axioms, but as something they do. As in: ethical behavior comes out of instinct, not reason.

— ACS

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/im-the-monster-you-met-on-the-internet/#comment-11748 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:09:54 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=119#comment-11748 I don’t think that “I am nice” signals are content-free, as much as that they are potentially incredibly deceptive, and do not necessary correlate with the person’s level of actual niceness. They are the equivalent of verbally saying “I am nice”: A statement that can either be true or a lie depending on who says it.

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