Comments on: My whole family is not autistic. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/ Sun, 06 May 2007 07:33:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Donna Williams https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11533 Sun, 06 May 2007 07:33:35 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11533 Hi Amanda,

happened to stumble by here.
had a struggle this week where a visual perceptual challenge was taken as selfishness. I couldn’t get it.

If a blind person fails to consider what you assume they see, is this selfish, egocentric? I think not. But those of us with eyes that see and brains that fail to process, are constantly shouted at, told off, lectured, for not LOOKING, CARING, ASKING etc.

One can’t know what one can’t know. And then I’m told to do nothing without asking or being told first.

So am I do be a bold person living as close to independence as I can, or one who society disables in order to appease them? I am proud at least I declared, I am not a broken orange, I’m a damned fine apple.

But I did cry, then cried more, not because one person hurt my feelings, but because nobody educates these people and I’ve spent 20 years self advocating about things they can’t imagine just because I can hear and see even if processing fails on both levels.

And the irony is this other person felt it was good for me to cry because I was gaining insight… shit, 9 books, a hundred interviews, hundreds of lectures, 12 years as a consultant… when will people learn that an information processing problem is nothing to do with insight, nothing to do with empathy….

I’m tired of the projections and presumptions. But if I can’t make it ‘out there’ which of us can? So one dusts oneself off and goes back to the horse.

aiaiai.

Donna
the arty autie.

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By: scap64 https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11532 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:01:36 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11532 I know of a parent who proudly calls themselves and their spouse “an autism family” because they have an autistic child.

They also have non-autistic children. I’ve been very tempted to ask: if one of their children ever says, “Mom, Dad, I’m gay/lesbian”, would they just as proudly start calling themselves “a gay family” or “a lesbian family”??

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By: Autism Vox » That c-word again https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11531 Mon, 22 May 2006 10:55:59 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11531 […] TACA’s autism semantics will raise at least a few eyebrows, such as the reference to “families with autism [emphasis added]” (see the discussion on Ballastexistenz, My whole family is not autistic), not to mention TACA’s prominent use of the c-word. […]

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By: rocobley https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11530 Sat, 20 May 2006 05:00:06 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11530 On the contrary, it would probably be quite interesting. I’m actually hoping that Larry is willing to debate all this with me – I’d love to hear his postmodernist view of the modern world. There might be quite a good debate here actually. Debates online are always better than real-time ones. They are of course easier for autistic people generally, but also if someone gives you some data that you haven’t heard then you can check it out before replying to it.
Anyway, Larry, if you’re up for it, so am I. Give us yer beef.

BTW Amanda if you’re already worried about this becoming a fight then you should see Lenin’s Tomb (my favourite blog apart from your own) where the comments page gets *really* raucous very frequently.

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By: Bronwyn G https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11529 Sat, 20 May 2006 02:39:15 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11529 Oh, come on.

It would be fun.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11528 Fri, 19 May 2006 17:32:01 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11528 I’m not sure I’d want to see you two locked in a small room together.

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By: rocobley https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11527 Fri, 19 May 2006 17:20:55 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11527 What postmodernist chaos is that then? I don’t see any.

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By: Laurentius https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11526 Fri, 19 May 2006 15:09:19 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11526 Well poor old Marx, a product of his time and the society he lived in if ever there was one, his texts reek of late romanticism, he should have been a poet not a philosopher. How can we suppose that an individual such as he could possibly be able to predict the post modernist chaos we live in now. As for pseudo science, have you ever read Engels Dialectics of Nature ?

These days I much prefer Weber to Marx.

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By: rocobley https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11525 Fri, 19 May 2006 06:08:18 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11525 Larry – you’re not a postmodernist are you? I think you said you were once. If so, you are I are going to have an argument at some point I think (I’m a Marxist).

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/my-whole-family-is-not-autistic/#comment-11524 Thu, 18 May 2006 17:42:23 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=108#comment-11524 Wade, I don’t actually think it’s fair to talk about an impact on non-autistic family members, unless you talk about a whole system, not just a static thing of “non-autistic is normal, therefore insert autism and things become an ‘impact’ rather than another kind of normal”.

My family has generations of people labeled variously (or unlabeled but would be labeled today) autistic, bipolar, dyslexic, dyspraxic, Tourette’s, and mentally retarded. Generations, on both sides. Our non-autistic family members are not usually neurologically typical either.

We can only be considered as a system of people, not an impact of something on a normal family, because as much as some of us have tried to pretend otherwise (while others take pride in it), and as much as some of us have been ashamed of it, and as much as anyone has loved this fact or suffered for it, our family is not what is currently considered “normal”, although we’re all pretty normal to ourselves.

I cannot imagine simply dividing our family along the lines of autistic/non-autistic, and leaving it at that, we are all kinds of people impacting each other in all kinds of ways, some of which have to do with neurological atypicality and some of which do not, some of which have to do with being autistic and some of which do not.

It’s really impossible to say, “the impact of autism on the non-autistic family members” any more than I could tell you the “impact” of “bipolar” on non-“bipolar” family members. These labels are not bombs that were dropped into the middle of an oh-so-normal family, we’re talking generations of eccentrics and mad(wo)men and “slow” people and so forth here, a eugenicist’s nightmare (and personally I’m proud to be that nightmare).

But, the fact that we are interconnected in a complex way (which is part of what I was trying to get at in the post), does not mean the non-autistic family members are autistic, any more than I’m “bipolar” just because some relatives are so labeled. The overall strangeness covers our whole family, but that’s because, we’re, in this day and age and place and time and so forth, strange (not so strange in other places and times, maybe).

So perhaps I can’t know the so-called “impact” of an autistic person in an all-neurotypical (or all-thinking-they’re-neurotypical) family, but it’s because of my background, not because I’m autistic and somehow incapable of taking other perspectives.

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