Comments on: On “contradictions” and so-called prodigies and so-called savants and prejudice and being a freak on display. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/ Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:26:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Mikki https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11264 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:26:03 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11264 I completely understand, My son just turn 5 he has an ASD. I hear all the time “Wow he can read.” People are stunned when I look at them and say yes he does read but at a 6th grade level. I get tired of the people saying “Well what are you going to do when he starts school?” I certainly am not going to let the school system ruin a very good mind.

Because a mind is a terible thing to waste..

And by the way he loves to read your blog……

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By: Henry Emrich https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11263 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:51:19 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11263 Hey, Amanda:
This is my first comment to your blog, so bear with me if I sound stupid. :)

Trust me, this thing you’re talking about here doesn’t just happen with autistic people. I’m not autistic as far as I know (at least, have never been diagnosed as such). However, I AM fairly severely visually-impaired (20/200 if that helps). I was also born 3 months prematurely.

Unfortunately, (as is pretty typical) my family and school didn’t know what to do — how to handle my situation. According to my mom, I jumped completely over the “single word” stage of language-aquisition, directly to complete sentences. None of this “me want moo” to ask for milk, from ME. That happened again when I learned to read — jumped from “learning my ABC’s” to reading at an eleventh-grade level within about three months….it was actually quite peculiar, according to everybody around me. (Maybe I’m “hyperlexic” I dunno.)

Anyway, this caused my academic performance to be really “lopsided” in school: I would basically top out language/comprehension/general knowledge tests, but (and this is important to note, here) performed AT GRADE LEVEL in mathetmatics when I was in First Grade.

Now, normally, you’d think that “average” performance wouldn’t be a problem, right? Wrong. Coupled with my “exceptional” ability in language/reading AND my severe visual-impairment, the “Powers that Be” came to the conclusion that I must be “learning disabled” in mathetmatics. (See, according to them, it HAD to be a “learning disability”, because if it wasn’t, I would have performed at the ‘exceptional’ level both in math AND in reading. Doesn’t make a hell of a lot of sense to me, even now.)

So my whole educational experience consisted of being in “gifted” programs because of the reading, being in “remedial” (mis)education for the math, and getting really half-assed mobility training and stuff like that for the visual impairment. So, understandably, even though I am a furious autodidact (I self-teach myself agressively every chance I get), there’s still a lot of residual bitterness and a general “lopsidedness” to my knowledge-base. Thanks, public “education!”

Anyway, my main point has to do with another “exceptional” skill that I’ve always exhibited:

When I was a kid, my “fine motor skills” (as they classified it on my IEP) were rather poor. They taught me to type before they taught me handwriting, and even now, I type at about 125 WPM, and my handwriting sucks. Oddly enough, they were also “suprised” by the fact that I’ve always been extremely quick at picking up musical instruments. If it’s a stringed-instrument, I can pretty well learn the rudiments of it inside of a week. Guitar, banjo, mandolin, bass, some limited tinkering with violin, etc…won contests and all that. Been in a music group that I founded back in 1991, and had radio/tv airplay, etc.

But my point is: people STILL become peculiar over the fact that I read (and retain) better than most “speed-readers”, or that I can figure out musical instruments really easily, or similar, but have really bad handwriting. I dunno what it is….why they expect that my particular “skill-set” (which is always changing anyway), would neccesarily resemble that of a so-called “normal” person.

My Mom used to be particularly bad about this: when I began to become skilled at the music thing, and started to do gigs/get intetviewed about it (back wien I was, like, twelve or so), she’d always have to bring up the supposed paradox of my “poor motor skills” and/or that I was a “miracle baby”. It could NEVER be about “He did something really well” with her — it was always “he does really well for an (insert-catagory-here) person.

So, in the circles I traverse, I’ve always been somewhat of a “token.”

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By: Makoto https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11262 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:55:55 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11262 I have a relative who has 2 savant skills, lived through an infamous historical event, and is from another country from the one she lives in. She knows that if she mentioned any one of those things (the race part being unavoidable) she becomes known as “that amazing foreigner with X, Y, and/or Z abilities,” — and all further learning about who she is stops. So she never mentions those things about herself, and so virtually noone knows.

She’s NT (or non-autistic, anyway), BTW. Looking non-American and speaking with an accent even seems enough to get the “idiot” part of that idiot-savant dynamic going in people’s heads.

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By: Henry Emrich https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11261 Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:05:22 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11261 “Or, to consider me amazing, without even knowing me, and not because I’ve done something well, but because I’ve done something well for a retard. It’s sort of like doing something well for a child. I almost prefer being attacked, to being praised and having no clue if I’m being praised for doing something well or praised for simply not being what someone expected me to be.”

Boy, Does THAT sound familiar!
I’m not autistic (at least I’ve never been diagnosed that way.) My “Problem” was that I was born 3 months prematurely. Due to “retinopathy of prematurity”, I am fairly severely visually-impaired. Problem with this is, I also taught myself to read when I was three, and was testing out at “adult levels” in reading/comprehension by the time I entered first grade.
I can also play damn near any musical instrument I come across — I just understand music and recording equipment and stuff in a way that tends to freak people out. My problem is that every time I did something well (like the music, for example, or writing articulately, or reading “above my grade level” or etc.), it could NEVER just be about how I did something well — it was always about how I was a “miracle baby” and/or “beat the odds”, etc…

Likewise, whenever I did something clumsily and/or didn’t pick up on it as fast as they thought I “should”, I was either just being lazy/milking my visual impairment, or just fundamentally incapable of learning it because I was “special.”

So it’s not just autistic people who deal with that shit.

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By: Raskel https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11260 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:04:57 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11260 I think that having a disability is a gift because you are able to see humanity in a truthful light rather than being fooled by it for most of your life, if you do not have one.

I have a cousin whose child is autistic yet he is a genius. I will never call him an idiot savant..because he is not an idiot. He is hyper sensative to the negativity of the human condition and the environment it creates. That is all.

Just my opinion.

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By: TknKareOfUs https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11259 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:47:13 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11259 Hey, I am a mom of a newly diagnosed (almost 3 year old) child with autism. He’s been diagnosed with autism (PDD-NOS) and SID. He is self-injurious and aggressive. I know you don’t like hearing this but I truly don’t mean it in a negative way. I’m learning about this disorder and I’m lost to be honest. You, along with a few others I’ve read about recently, have opened my eyes to a side of this I didn’t realize. Yes, it does shock, surprise and totally elate me to see that you are non-verbal and autistic and can communicate your thoughts are clearly as you have here. It gives me so much hope for my son that I can’t even explain. Call me ignorant, that’s probably accurate because I’ve never been autistic and the only thing I see is someone that hits himself, laughs occassionally, tries to communicate but has a difficult time and often tunes the whole world out (or so it appeared). I find great comfort in reading about you thinking that maybe my son is just like you… that he is hyperaware of everything, that even if he can’t say “hey mom, I know you’re wanting me to do such and such but ….. blah blah blah” that he at least hears me and desires to communicate. I see the “negative” communication, the hitting and biting and it hurts me that I can’t help him to where he doesnt do that to himself and others. I blame myself a lot for that behavior, that if I could just figure out his needs then maybe he wouldnt hurt himself. I certainly dont mean to offend you. I’m not saying that I think it’s impressive that the “retard” can type or write… I would NEVER think that. I, well, I honestly don’t even know how to explain what I’m thinking myself. I’m very bad about getting my feelings into words. I know my son is intelligent (on a 3 yr old level) and maybe that will never progress but I’m going to give him every opportunity in the world to see just how far he can go. Anyway, thank you for sharing. I would love to email with you if you have any suggestions on how I can help me son on ANY level. I love him so much and I don’t want to fix him… God put him on this earth the way he is, just as he did us all. Cayden has a mission in life and he’s very capable of fulfilling that exactly the way he is- I just want to help him live more comfortably and not as stressed as he appears to be. Thanks for your time in reading this.

Sincerely,
Dena

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By: Ettina https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11258 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:31:31 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11258 “Going back to the earlier topic of writing: regarding the whole “you’re so amazing” thing, it’s like how if a woman writes something, she’s ‘a woman writer,’ not just a writer, and everything she does is interpreted as having something to do with her gender. “This is good (name of genre) writing, for a *woman.*” Because it’s assumed that ‘normal’ women ordinarily write only silly romantic fluff or something, and so what might be considered only average for a male writer in a certain genre is hailed as an amazing achievement coming from a woman. Women are supposed to write things that only other women are interested in reading, “chick lit” and the like, so when a novel by a woman appeals to men and boys, everyone acts like it’s incredible.”

Although I think you can say the same sort of thing without being discriminatory. For example, when a 6 year old solves a grade 6 level math problem, that kid is good at math *for a six year old*. An adult doing the same thing would not be an indication of high math ability, the way it is for a six year old.
But often a group is stereotyped as less able than they are, or having less variation in ability, or both. When I think of really good authors (in my opinion) I think of Emily Rodda, Garth Nix and Tamora Pierce. All three of them are very different authors, all three are authors I consider good. And two of them are women. And I can think of things in each author’s writing I don’t like. That just means I don’t consider them perfect, not that I don’t consider them good.

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By: James Hunter Ross https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11257 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:11:28 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11257 All the writing on this site is helping me. I’ve not been exposed to such viewpoints in all my 48 years. Thanks. I have a three year old boy, diagnosed with “mild” autism, and I admit I ahve a hard time understanding him and his behavior. I also have been feeling sad for him. Everything here is helping. Thanks again.

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By: Julian^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11256 Sun, 07 May 2006 00:52:40 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11256 The reason I stopped wanting to be seen as a child prodigy (I mostly just wanted to have my real abilities acknowledged) was because of my mother’s reaction every time I did anything ‘special.’ She started finding ways to always take the credit for it somehow, and made sure I never forgot that anything I did was supposed to be due to her. Basically, the reason she wanted me to do something special was so she could ride my coattails, and prove to the world what a good parent she was. (The “here’s my opinion but don’t contradict it or I’ll get ill…” et al is also her to the letter, for what it’s worth.)

Going back to the earlier topic of writing: regarding the whole “you’re so amazing” thing, it’s like how if a woman writes something, she’s ‘a woman writer,’ not just a writer, and everything she does is interpreted as having something to do with her gender. “This is good (name of genre) writing, for a *woman.*” Because it’s assumed that ‘normal’ women ordinarily write only silly romantic fluff or something, and so what might be considered only average for a male writer in a certain genre is hailed as an amazing achievement coming from a woman. Women are supposed to write things that only other women are interested in reading, “chick lit” and the like, so when a novel by a woman appeals to men and boys, everyone acts like it’s incredible.

Something I also get very tired of, re ability, is the assumption that everyone who has a certain ability X must naturally have another ability Y, that it follows as some sort of logical consequence, and the incredulous reactions when you try to tell people you can do X but not Y (or can’t do Y well, or can only do it under certain circumstances), and the disbelief. “Well, I’m sure you really can do Y– you just must not want to/don’t believe in yourself.” (The “just doesn’t want to/lacks self-confidence” idea is one that has cropped up repeatedly in others’ assumptions about me, throughout my life.) “It’s unbelievable that someone as good as X at you couldn’t do Y, so I’m going to assume that you’re trying to manipulate me by claiming you can’t do Y and trying to get out of doing the things you need to do.” (This has happened even when I just asked for *help* with doing Y, not to get out of being asked to do it.) Or they keep conveniently “forgetting” that I can’t do or am not good at Y, again and again, and acting surprised or irritated when I ask for help, as if being helped once should have taught me how to do it for all time.

I don’t blame people for not knowing that it’s possible to have X without Y until told otherwise. I do blame them for deliberately disbelieving or finding ways to ignore it once they’ve been told.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/on-contradictions-and-so-called-prodigies-and-so-called-savants-and-prejudice-and-being-a-freak-on-display/#comment-11255 Sat, 06 May 2006 19:50:28 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=90#comment-11255 What zilari said, exactly.

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