Comments on: Looking away from the keyboard: Debunking the debunkers https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/ Fri, 02 Sep 2011 04:02:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: calistair https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-23119 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 04:02:13 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-23119 Huh. I didn’t know that typing with two index fingers while looking away from the keyboard was so unusual, much less considered to be impossible.

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By: Riel^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-11166 Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:43:58 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-11166 Hmm… the spamfilter seems to have trapped my last comment here. I’m not quite sure why it does that.

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By: Riel^Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-11165 Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:38:21 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-11165 To me, a skeptic is someone who will not take things for granted to be true without some kind of evidence or proof, whereas a debunker has acquired a belief as to the validity of some idea and is selectively skeptical to things that contradict that belief.

Yeah… The problem is that I’ve run into too many self-professed “skeptics” who are actually “debunkers,” and let their ableism (or other prejudices) guide their conclusions about what is or is not likely to be true, then insist that their conclusions are unbiased because they have the right ideology. Critical thinking is not an excuse to be an elitist ableist jerk (or any other kind of -ist). It should be a method of self-defense, not a reason to act like a bully.

Basically… I have a problem when people’s “skepticism” becomes a condescending paternalism that runs over the actual lives and voices of disabled people (and when the people doing this condescending-skepticism stuff have a lot of power and privilege they’ve never even bothered to examine, or even realized the fact that the power relationships between them and the people they’re trying to debunk as hoaxes or gullible fools are massively unequal). I touched on it vaguely in this post that I made recently, which is not quite as serious as some of the FC debates, but still wholly dismisses an accomodation we’ve gotten help from, on inadequate grounds.

It seems like some people, instead of trying to stay thoughtful and skeptical, have this widget they call “skepticism” and apply it in kind of a sledgehammerish way to anything anyone else with this widget says isn’t scientific or worthy of consideration. Whenever anyone suggests it might be worthy of consideration after all, it gets compared to magic or Ouija boards or “crystal healing” or whatever, even though there’s a massive distance between “this doesn’t seem to work the way its promoters claimed it did” and “this isn’t even worth investigating scientifically.”

When it’s just a matter of online debates, it’s just annoying to deal with; when something like whether someone is considered to be a communicating person or not is at stake, there’s so much wrong with that attitude that I can’t even begin to describe it. And I say this as a person who loves science– I just don’t want to let that love and respect blind me to the fact that it really can be used to oppress people, if used in the wrong way. (The fact that my existence could and probably would be labeled a delusion, needing to be therapized or drugged away, if the wrong people found out about it, only increases my sense of that.)

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By: Melody https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-11164 Wed, 21 May 2008 06:19:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-11164 This article makes this same assumption, that one-finger without looking at the keyboard typing is impossible:

http://www.srmhp.org/0401/media-watch.html

I have always found a connotation difference between “debunk” and “skeptic”. To me, a skeptic is someone who will not take things for granted to be true without some kind of evidence or proof, whereas a debunker has acquired a belief as to the validity of some idea and is selectively skeptical to things that contradict that belief.

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By: pdw https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-11163 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:13:13 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-11163 My church is going to fire me when they find out I don’t really play the organ, since I don’t look at the keys when I am playing! Tee hee. I can type this is easy (which I just did right there) without looking. But I didn’t realize I could do it until I did it just now! since I use nonstandard typing, my own version that I’ve made up and can’t explain to anyone including myself. I hunt and peck really fast! Over the years I guess I’ve done less hunting and more pecking. I use mostly 3 fingers from each hand, with an occasional pinky thrown in for good measure.

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By: andreashettle https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-11162 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:03:11 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-11162 Ann:

If I understand correctly: I think what confuses some people is that the only kind of “touch-typing-without-looking-at-the-keyboard” that most people know is the standard 10 fingered system. I think most people who type with one or two fingers look at the keyboard more (I wouldn’t know; I usually use the more standard 10 finger system, though I’ve had to modify it in the past three weeks because of an injury to multiple fingers–still mostly without looking). So many people just assume that one or two finger typing NECESSARILY requires one to look at the keyboard to see where you are.

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By: Farson https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-11161 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:26:24 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-11161 Interesting how they appeal to “common knowledge.” I don’t know anything about them, or about “organised skepticism.” But it doesn’t seem very skeptical to make such an appeal. For my part, I would also question the “skepticism” of any organized system of belief. I think of skepticism as being unafraid to question–in particular, to question so-called “common sense.” Not a desire to “de-bunk” anything one can’t see for oneself.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-11160 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 02:56:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-11160 I learned touch-typing by sitting in a computer lab from the ages of 9 to 12 and using a typing tutor program. But I picked up one-finger typing without looking pretty easily later on too. Just don’t want to leave you with the impression that I learned typing on my own.

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By: Ann https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-11159 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 02:51:22 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-11159 I just came back to reading this post again today. At the time I was confused as to why it was even considered an issue. I can remember in high school that we were corrected if we even LOOKED at the typewriter. The goal was to type without looking. So why be critical of someone who is doing that ? I think the main issue is “how dare you autistic people do something better than us NT people and do it without having to do through the training we did ?” That if you learned all this on your own without taking classes etc why then maybe all these special ed systems (as determined by NT professionals NOT by those who need the services themselves) might not needed. AND there would be a lot of people out of a job and lose all that control over those “low functioning handicapped “.

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By: DJ https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/05/03/looking-away-from-the-keyboard-debunking-the-debunkers/#comment-11158 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:16:22 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85#comment-11158 I would judge anyone a fool that says it’s impossible to find where keys are without looking (one-fingered, with autism or otherwise). Pianists do the same on a much larger scale all the time, have these people ever spoken to a virtuoso pianist? I was never a great pianist but at one point even I could one-fingered hit any key on the piano without looking, this could be at a distance measured in feet! Admittedly I am sure not everyone can do this, but I am also sure it is not solely attributable to savant syndrome. I am an excellent touch typist (42000kph at best) and can also accurately type one fingered without looking

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