Comments on: Emotions: A time and a place. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/ Sat, 06 May 2006 00:13:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Ballastexistenz » Blog Archive » On “contradictions” and so-called prodigies and so-called savants and prejudice and being a freak on display. https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10986 Sat, 06 May 2006 00:13:29 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10986 […] I don’t like it when others do that kind of thing (”Here’s my opinion, and you shouldn’t contradict it or I’ll get very distraught/ill/etc, but you still have to listen to my opinion, and if you do contradict it I’ll not only be distraught/ill/etc but I’ll go to other people and tell them what a monster you are while claiming to be an infallibly nice person myself, my niceness being the reason that I’m so fragile and you’re so mean, etc”) and I don’t want to do it to anyone. My reactions exist, and I don’t always hide them (although I do believe in the “there’s a time and a place” thing), but they are my reactions, not signals to you to shut up. I know that there are real consequences for saying the things I say, and not always enjoying them doesn’t mean not accepting them in the “unpleasant but inevitable” category. […]

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10985 Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:49:06 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10985 Yeah, I’ve been on both ends of this kind of thing too.

I do think there’s a time and a place. But… yeah, not everywhere.

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By: elmindreda https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10984 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:51:29 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10984 What really bothers me about the focus on feelings instead of actual problems isn’t the importance it places on emotions, but rather the implication that the current system is right by default, and thus the feelings need to be adjusted to match the (assumed correct) system and not the other way around.

It’s to my mind the same reasoning as that used by those who support normalisation of autistic people.

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By: Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10983 Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:34:06 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10983 I don’t live up well to the emotionless logical aspie stereotype either. I can *sound* dispassionate in my online writing, but that’s the result of years of trying to find a way to keep myself calm enough to express what I really think when I’m frustrated.

But yes– I’ve certainly seen instances where ‘validating someone’s feelings’ was considered to be an acceptable substitute for helping them, or when someone was permitted to act abusively towards others under the guise of ‘needing to express their feelings.’ Pop psychology acts as a promoter of these attitudes; ‘relationship gurus’ like the infamous John Gray have made millions of dollars by informing troubled spouses that women don’t actually *want their problems solved*; they just *want their feelings validated.* In other words, it’s better to say “I understand why you’re upset, honey. It’s okay for you to feel that way,” than to help out with a situation which is continuing to make her upset for good reason. (Conversely, it’s also okay for men to lash out at women if the woman intrudes on their masculine territory, by the same kind of thinking, because he’s just expressing the feelings that come naturally to him.)

I think I’ve had both ends of the stick handed to me, at different times in my life. There have been times when I asked someone to tone down their aggressive or abrasive attitude towards me because I found it upsetting, and was told that this would not happen because ’emotions are for the weak’ and that I was weak for being offended. Or someone justified an outright attack as “I’m just telling you the truth, even if you don’t like it.”

And then, on the other hand, I’ve also been told to basically shut up because I was ‘being hurtful’ and ‘attacking others’ when I was doing nothing but pointing out the truth as I saw it. My mother, in particular, was fond of this strategy– to claim I was hurting her feelings by challenging her position on any subject, even just to present evidence against any of her views. (She also claimed I was hurting her by objecting to her barrages of verbal abuse against certain other family members, because by doing so, I wasn’t “letting her have her feelings.” This, apparently, took precedence over everything else, including hurt that might be caused to *me* by having to listen to her throw around lies about them.) In ways, she was an awful lot like the curebie parents complaining about their hurt feelings. She also instructed me repeatedly and explicitly to lie to others when I had any kind of negative feeling about them– not just to take a “smile and nod” approach, but to carry out the pretense of liking someone as a masquerade for years on end.

The message I got from this was that relationships are too fragile to withstand the truth. It’s something that’s haunted me for years, in that it put an extreme damper on my ability to express or acknowledge my real opinions, and I still fight against it a lot. It’s hurt me in more ways than the abstract. It resulted in me allowing myself to be abused because I was afraid I would hurt someone’s feelings or turn them against me if I said “no.”

I also think we’re seeing something of a backlash against the concept of ‘everyone needs to be allowed to expess their feelings’ in the form of the ‘snark culture’ that’s been developing online, where any kind of expression of vulnerability or personal problems is derided as “drama” and “emo.” This kind of scares me too. I co-moderate a community where people seem to be constantly prefacing a request for advice or help with “Sorry for all the emo/drama/whining, but…” (even when it’s perfectly reasonable to be asking for help). That’s… not exactly my idea of a good antidote to the ‘everyone’s feelings must be validated’ therapy culture.

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By: rocobley https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10982 Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:18:36 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10982 “If a person feels revulsion every time they look at me, as some have made abundantly clear that
they do, I think there’s something wrong with how they think about people like me. That carries
over into feelings of revulsion. But the feelings of revulsion are not sacred, are not out of
nowhere, and they’re not even really okay. They’re products of some combination of attitudes,
prejudices, thoughts, misplaced “empathy”, and a whole slew of other things.”

I think this misses out something. Aren’t people’s thoughts and feelings about things ultimately determined by that person’s material experiences? I would certainly argue that they are.

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By: rocobley https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10981 Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:15:37 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10981 I think, Amanda, that you’re right in that this feelings-obsessed ‘therapy culture’ is largely an American thing. We Brits are rather too cynical for that sort of thing! Mind you, it has spread over here to a certain extent as well.

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By: rosabw https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10980 Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:16:45 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10980 It’s like I tell my son,”What’s in it for ME?” Of
course, I’m being cynical…

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By: Justthisguy https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10979 Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:54:17 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10979 I concur with what Miss B. has written here, wholeheartedly.

In other words, “What she said!” and “Amen”!

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By: Rebecca Jebo https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10978 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:22:44 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10978 You are absolutely right on this, Amanda. I spent several years
working for a non-profit childcare center. Although I had great
respect in most ways for the people I worked with, they would
frequently launch into these long (useless) discussions about feelings. I used to wonder sometimes if the building caught on fire if they would actually evacuate, or if they would sit there discussing their feelings about the fire until they all died of smoke inhalation.

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By: Dad Of Cameron https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/emotions-a-time-and-a-place/#comment-10977 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:40:22 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=74#comment-10977 “Am I aware that emotions are only one piece of things, that they are not trustworthy guides to reality, that it’s possible to do devastating damage in the name of “flowing with your emotions freely”, that the “therapy culture” is probably doing more harm than good, that there’s a time and a place? Definitely yes.”

Oh Amanda, this is such an important post in general IMHO. I think the tendency to rely on emotion is probably at the very heart of the “curbie” culture – definitely capable and often purposefully ignoring reality. By the way, I love the look of your new site!

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