Comments on: If I am killed… https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/ Thu, 04 Apr 2013 02:58:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: nvadvocate https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-24468 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 02:58:20 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-24468 In reply to Nik.

It keeps happening because as long as we have “a continuum of alternative placements” we will never stop saying or believing “they” are not like “us.” Not worthy of a place in community. Less than. Other.

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By: nvadvocate https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-24467 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 02:45:03 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-24467 Thank you from a woman who’s daughter wears dog tags that say: my official not dead yet directive: spare no expense, keep me alive. And : do not euthanize.

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By: Autistic Writer/Blogger/Activist Amanda Baggs Facing Life-Threatening Discrimination in Vermont Hospital | Not Dead Yet https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-24465 Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:17:14 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-24465 […] people in the disability community.  A lot of people might remember reading her blog essay “If I am killed” on our old site, where it was reproduced with permission – and will be  put up again […]

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By: Nik https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-10974 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:45:49 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-10974 This and Joel’s page about murders have been real eye-openers for me. I’d assumed that such killings (especially deliberate killings) were very rare, and that the killer would, naturally, be punished the same as if the victim were “normal”.

And so, when I learned that both of those assumptions were false, I found it quite shocking and depressing. How can this still be happening in this day and age? And how can people excuse the killers? It just boggles my mind.

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By: Michael Tada https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-10973 Fri, 19 May 2006 15:25:59 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-10973 Although I don’t have autism, I do have Cerebral Palsy. I believe that this issue affects ALL people with various types of disabilities. As a person with a disability, I utterly resent the various stereotypes put on people with All types of disabilities! NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY IN AMERICA TO SERIOUSLY AND VIGOROUSLY EDUCATE OUR LAWMAKERS, DOCTORS, EMPLOYERS, ETC ABOUT OUR ISSUES! IF WE DON’T EDUCATE THEM, WHO WILL?

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By: Ettina https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-10972 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:03:26 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-10972 “I try to have compassion towards all fellow humans, not only those who “deserve” it- partly because of the abuse I endured growing up as an autistic; my abusers would have said I did not deserve compassion because my neurological and psychiatric issues made me less than human; if I deny them compassion because they are abusers, am I sinking to their level?”
I’m like that as well. I’ve never had anyone try to kill me, but I was abused by my cousins, who had themselves been abused by their parents. My mother says they were just plain evil for hurting me, never mind why they did it. Sometimes I wonder if I should feel that way about them, but the fact is that I don’t. I empathize with them. I can understand their feelings, since I’ve felt similarly myself.
For example, when I get triggered about the abuse this tension builds up and I have to let it out somehow. Sometimes I start hurting myself, sometimes I have someone I trust available and I hug them, sometimes I run away, and sometimes I end up picking a stupid fight and screaming insults at someone I love. I’m writing a book and one of the characters I decided to make him experience the same thing, except he has less ability to restrain himself. I rarely get physical, at most I shove people (unless someone’s trying to restrain me, then I struggle and try to hurt them until they let me go) but this character in my story was physically abused and witnessed physical abuse (I was verbally abused and witnessed verbal abuse) and he ends up beating on his girlfriend in the scene I wrote. And it hurts her, and also two kids who witness it. And many people seem to write off people like this guy, who abuse spouses or girlfriends. But he’s not all bad. He’s a hurt, unhappy person and he cares about his girlfirend, but he needs to admit that he has a problem and deal with it. And she can’t put up with it. She needs to be empowered to get out of that situation, and not put up with being hurt. But society shouldn’t just write off this guy as a bad person.
But what Amanda Baggs is saying, I think, is that they shouldn’t say “Oh, yeah, he beat her, but what do you expect? Of course he’ll beat her because she has X Y or Z traits and he doesn’t have proper support to ‘manage’ that.” Maybe her behavior and the current social environment are factors influencing that, but the real problem is his own issues that make him beat her. In his case, those issues are emotional issues of repressed feelings, triggers and bad coping strategies. When a disabled person is abused, often the issues involve the abuser’s prejudice. Same with murder. And the prejudice is not the issue of the disabled person, but of the one who is hurting or killing them.

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By: Estee https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-10971 Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:13:34 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-10971 Is it trite to say thank you for this? I’m really glad you take on these tough issues.

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By: Amorpha https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-10970 Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:24:50 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-10970 I’ve noticed that when people talk of ‘compassion for the mentally ill’ when a murderer is alleged to be ‘suffering from mental illness,’ it’s often kind of a Trojan Horse approach– all the talk of compassion and sympathy is actually a thinly veiled strategy to whip up public and lawmaker support for forced treatment. Sometimes they’ll try to piggyback legislation on it, the implication being “this person would still be alive today if we’d had this law about forced treatment that you should pass.”

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By: Lili https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-10969 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:08:26 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-10969 I thank you for your respectful and enlightening response. My feelings are that “understanding” and “excusing” are not necessarily the same thing, and that one can condemn someone’s actions without denying them compassion.

I try to have compassion towards all fellow humans, not only those who “deserve” it- partly because of the abuse I endured growing up as an autistic; my abusers would have said I did not deserve compassion because my neurological and psychiatric issues made me less than human; if I deny them compassion because they are abusers, am I sinking to their level?

I fail at extending compassion far more than I care to admit. Many have called me “bitter” because I am still so angry about some of my experiences that I cannot feel anything other than pure rage and hate towards the perpetrators most of the time.

I want to say that your blog has been most enlightening to me, and you have affected the way I think about many of the issues discussed here. I read every entry though I don’t think I’ve commented before. I am honored to have this discussion with you and I thank you for speaking out.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/if-i-am-killed/#comment-10968 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:48:24 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=73#comment-10968 The physical violence and the toxic doses of drugs are exactly the methods that were tried with me, as well.

My viewpoint, at any rate, isn’t that we shouldn’t try to figure out why these things happen in general. It’s that there are ways of doing that responsibly, and ways of doing it irresponsibly — and things that shouldn’t be brought into it time after time.

I’m not up for a full answer, although I wish I was. I do know that Dick Sobsey’s book Violence and Abuse in the Lives of People with Disabilities: The End of Silent Acceptance? does go into this in a good deal more detail. It’s unfortunately out of print, but can sometimes be found floating around used (sometimes it’s necessary to wait awhile to find a cheap one).

I think one of the good things to look at is why disabled people are viewed as expendable (or at least “more expendable”) under these circumstances, what the roots of that are.

Another good thing to look at is what power can do to people. And, what damage the self-delusion of “But I have no power” can do. And the responsible use vs. the abuse, of power.

But none of that is what people tend to do when they talk about having “compassion” for the murderer in these situations, and about trying to “understand” why they did it.

Most tend to be looking at the situation more in ways that dilute the murderer’s responsibility for what happened (blaming “society”, or “feeling bad for her plight as a struggling mother”, “doing what she thought was right,” etc), and that then open the door for more murders of the same variety.

They also tend to come down rather hard on people who say “You know what, this was wrong, just utterly wrong,” saying such people are judgemental — when most of the same people wouldn’t think twice probably about saying “this was wrong, just utterly wrong” if the person were killed for being black, or gay, or something like that. Or even if the person were just killed without their particular category of person being a factor at all.

The fact that murder is generally treated as incomprehensible evil when done in other circumstances, yet as comprehensible in these circumstances, is itself a problem, and is the bulk of the problem I was addressing. I personally do have compassion for all murderers, as people, but I don’t tend to announce that right after a murder.

I hope that makes some sense. I haven’t been able to say everything I think because I’m exhausted. (I’ve spent the entire day, except for an hour, around people.) Other people have covered this ground better than I am, probably.

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