Comments on: Pretty social illusions https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/ Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:16:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Ivan https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10510 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:16:23 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10510 We have something kind of related to this on our own blog…..called First Impressions…..not exactly this issue but the theme is similar….how being pretty is somehow important for people to want to interact with someone. It’s semi-related, I think…

Part of the problem with society as it is now, is BECAUSE of superficial “reality” or ideals being more important than what’s actually going on.

Instant gratification is another thing. Some parents of autistic children who try all kinds of treatments want instant results: kids behaving better, whatever that means, and whatever the cost ends up being.

You may not be diplomatic but you know how to write in a way that most reasonable people will at least read and not feel somehow unjustly attacked. Notice I said REASONABLE people. Curebies and quacks don’t count.

Sometimes I can’t even write the things I want to in my blog because all that comes out is wrathful ranting. I’m sure I’m not the only one, who could be the autistic advocacy movement’s equivalent of Rev. Jesse Jackson or Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

When I feel that angry, I don’t write anything that could be found and possibly used to prove

Ivan

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By: daniel clingan https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10509 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:10:09 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10509 I am a person who fell into an illusion, there were three bricks taken out on my grandfather wall on the back poarch, with solid bricks all around them. I forgot about the holes being in the wall and someone was walking by In The Dark, and the shodows came through mt mother came in about ten minutes later when it was still Dark outside. We spoke about her life and she asked me “What,s going on”? I then said “I saw extra terrestrials on the poarch”. She then called crisis intervention , they came over and I was admitted to a psych ward. It took 15 years to realize that there wre hole in the wall to create thia illusion. Well thank God there were two doctors who took me off all medication completely. I guess this will be a story that I,ll have to tell people my whole life. Because I do recieve ss-di. But I will be a professional golfer. Hey man thanls for listening, and by the way I have been a Dead Head for over twenty years,and Isaw The Grateful Dead live too in Phily I think in 1992. I,m from Hershey P.A. You mat tell anyone you like about all of this! Have a Grateful Day! Love Dan

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By: Kristina Chew https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10508 Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:40:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10508 Another way to look at “intervention” is that it shares some of the same Latin root words as “invention,” both being formed via a prefix (inter, in) and the word for “come” (venio, venire, veni, ventum). And if an “intervention” is a “coming-between,” then an “invention” is a “coming in–an entering–a finding-a discovery”—of the new and yet in-known.

The word I grew up hearing was “assimilation,” as in it being best to become a “banana” (yellow on the outside, white on the inside). Cultural thinking as far as raising children of diverse ethnic backgrounds has changed a great deal on this front and we are all slouching towards something, I think, in our diverse ways, together.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10507 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:54:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10507 I’m not really good at diplomacy, I tend to leave that to people who are better at it than I am, when it’s necessary. But I’m fairly decent at straightforwardness.

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By: Estee Klar-Wolfond https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10506 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:38:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10506 Well, I’m glad you said it. I’ve been trying to say it and getting slammed for saying it. But you said it, it’s about words, meaning and manipulation of language.

Talking the talk ain’t walking the walk. All words are not “one-size fits all,” and I’m getting mighty fed up with it.

Thanks for this great post. Sometimes we can’t always be the diplomat.

Estee

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By: Anne https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10505 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:34:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10505 “Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
They don’t tell the truth
Smiling faces, smiling faces
Tell lies and I got proof”

Temptations 1970

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By: Jannalou https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10504 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:47:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10504 I also find it sad and disturbing how many people end up accepting things that are dangerous and/or unreal, to “get along”. It shouldn’t be necessary to have to accept those things and take an “anything goes” sort of stance in order to get along with people anyway.

It’s the abuse factor. You know it well, I think, Amanda. The phenomenon wherein a person begins to believe that s/he deserves the abuse and may even begin to seek it out. The other part of that is the people who are enabling the abuser – often because they don’t want to be the next victims.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10503 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:39:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10503 Last I knew, the ASA had made that “parents have the right to decide…” thing official policy a long time ago, that they would not endorse or condemn any “treatments” so as to be fair to parents. That has of course led to things like failing to condemn outright blatant anyone-would-know-it-you’d-think torture.

Although the interesting thing about torture, is it’s a common thing but very little is ever done about it, anywhere, no matter where it happens. Because, among other things, torturers are nearly always well-respected people, and torture victims are nearly always devalued people. (I’d recommend the book Unspeakable Acts, Ordinary People by John Conroy for more information on this.) And there’s always some justification for the torture that sits well in the minds of most people.

(In the wake of the publicity around Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, I have wondered how many Americans will see all the similar acts in their own neighborhoods. There’s very little out of those places that I haven’t seen myself in respected disability institutions or heard of from others there.)

But all that about torture is kind of a side-note.

I also find it sad and disturbing how many people end up accepting things that are dangerous and/or unreal, to “get along”. It shouldn’t be necessary to have to accept those things and take an “anything goes” sort of stance in order to get along with people anyway.

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By: Autism Diva https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10502 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:00:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10502 It’s sad to see some (all?) of the autistic adults who work with ASA sort of getting inured to the whole experimentation biomed stuff. They don’t seem to be saying anything negative about ASA’s message which is ugly, ugly, ugly.

They need to play nice and “get along,” apparently.

Personally, Autism Diva thinks they’ve sold out. Maybe they don’t realize it, though.

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By: Bronwyn G https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/24/pretty-social-illusions/#comment-10501 Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:02:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=40#comment-10501 It is a terrible world when being nice to somebody of a different neurology is not out of the kindness of your heart, but an intervention agenda, whether obvious or disguised.

I could not do that sort of pretending either, and I could not live with myself morally if I could or did, ever.

Good for you Janna. I wish you the best in your life for now and for always. Glad you’re no longer to co-opt with the social illusions.

And the horrid thing is that people aren’t even aware of them. What is worse is that people ARE aware but aren’t going to do anything about it. It seems like autistic people staying powerless is like a priority for them. I worry.

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