Comments on: On (not) being considered a woman… https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/ Tue, 16 May 2006 15:44:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Sweet Perdition » Blog Archive » Other People’s Weddings https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10476 Tue, 16 May 2006 15:44:59 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10476 […] So, why can’t Jackson get married or have children? Having a disability (even a “severe” one) doesn’t negate sexuality. But, as Dave Hingsburger points out, parents and teachers may not really educate disabled people about sex. That’s because some disabled people aren’t thought to have sexual feelings at all—or, if they do, that they are confused. One reason Jackson is “never gonna” get married or have kids is because other people (including his mother) think that people like him just don’t do those things. […]

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By: ebohlman https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10475 Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:00:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10475 I think a big part of the problem is a “comfort rationalization” that religious parents use explicitly, and that non-religious parents use tacitly: the notion that God decided to keep their disabled kid a permanent, innocent child. This, of course, requires that the kid obey parental authority (or surrogates thereof) even after reaching adulthood, and (this is the biggie) must be absolutely asexual (not just in behavior but in thought). Anything remotely related to a disabled adult’s sexuality is mentally filled in the drawer that says “pedophilia” on it and thus it becomes something that can’t even be thought about rationally; it can only be dealt with with shock and blind rage.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10474 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:35:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10474 When we were living outside briefly during the mess at our apartment complex, and picketing City Hall, there was at one point a couple youngish women who came by, looked at our signs, asked us questions, and went into scornful mode.

Addressing my neighbor, they said, “Well what are you, 25?” In that voice that means that if she was, she wouldn’t matter, or something weird like that (the same one Sue M would’ve used recently in asking that guy, “What are you, 10?”).

She kind of laughed, pointed to me, and said “No, I’m 48, she’s 25.”

They looked a little dumbfounded and eventually went away.

But it’s fairly frequent that people ask me her age and then don’t believe me, with their estimate being “30, if that.”

I don’t really know how people identify age. So I don’t really know why people guess I’m a kid or teen so often. But they seem to. I even often get, when I answer the door, “Is your mommy or daddy home?” or some variant. (When new staff used to come to my house, they’d look around for my “mother” — “Amanda” — and then tell me they thought I was a 13-year-old.)

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By: Camille https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10473 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:20:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10473 Hi,

I wouldn’t have thought that people would think (there goes that second order theory of mind) you were that young.

On the telephone, my kid sounds to me much younger than 12, but in person, most folks might guess 12 just from the clothes xe wears, etc. We do try to find the most grown up looking clothing in that size.

That’s amazing about your neighbor.

When I was very little, 2-6 years old, we had a close neighbor… I suppose we all said he was retarded, after I was six we moved away (like 20 blocks away) and I didn’t see him much any more. Anyway, I see him now every once in a while as I live maybe 9 blocks from him now. He’s an old man, he has gray hair. He looks old to me. I don’t know how others see him, and if he had to get gray hair before people started to see him as a man…

Anyway, just doing my amateur genetecist thing, I’d guess that he has Fragile X. He remembers me from when I was 3 and remembers my family well. He’s a nice guy. He definitely autistic, too. He used to be really into cars. He’d hang out at the local race track, I think he could repair cars.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10472 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:58:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10472 In person I apparently do (to a lot of people) look like a kid, as in their estimates of my age are in the 12 to 14 range, sometimes younger. Which is probably older than your kid looks, but significantly younger than I actually am. I do appear to look young to a lot of people for whatever reason. (I’m somewhat short, but I don’t know if that’s the reason.)

Interestingly, my 50-year-old autistic neighbor sometimes gets seen as my age, and rarely gets seen as much over 30.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10471 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:39:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10471 Re: Google cache, there were two incarnations of my former blog. One of them I lost almost all of, and is no longer in the Google cache. Another one of them I have already downloaded the file for, from autistics.org, and don’t need to get from the cache.

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By: Camille https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10470 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:27:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10470 I hope that didn’t sound like I was dismissing your statements of how frustrating and demeaning it is to be constantly treated as a child and have so little recourse. I didn’t mean it to sound like that.

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By: Camille https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10469 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:24:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10469 My ASD kid is very small, it’s hard to remember that xe is the same age as you are, B.

Xe tells me quite often to stop treating xyr like a child. I tell her to grow up. (kidding)

I try to back off with the uber mom stuff when xe says that. My kid can still wear kids clothes, it might not help much, but at least you are adult sized, can you imagine being tiny? It must be really hard.

I’m so tall that I got treated like an adult prematurely.

And I had no idea what I was getting into when I got pregnant. oy.

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By: elmindreda https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10468 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10468 Hmm, it seems that many of the postings from your previous location are still in the Google Cache. I believe you expressed a desire to recover them.

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By: elmindreda https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/on-not-being-considered-a-woman/#comment-10467 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:42:00 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=36#comment-10467 Oh yes, that’s very familiar, if not to the degree that you experience it. Being patted on the head (literally or otherwise) when you’re trying to be taken seriously as an adult isn’t the most fun you could have. Giggling at it whilst being furious inside is also rather an odd feeling (did the “cute client mode” posting disappear, too?)

I’ve noticed that I’m patronised more frequently now than when I used to try making my face twitch according to other people’s wishes, despite the fact I’m able to communicate more clearly now, since I’m not in constant panic over when and how to make faces. I guess weird signals are preferred over none at all.

As for being an adult, I’m still having a hard time thinking of myself as one, as when I tell people that I’m an adult and ask that they treat me as one, they say “of course you are” and continue treating me as a child. Not sure what the correct response to that is. I can’t think of one.

I also grew up thinking of adults as those people who could navigate the world of companies, papers and rules. I still can’t do that very well, and I haven’t managed to get rid of that prejudice, partly because very few are able to help me with those things without being patronising.

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