Comments on: “Functioning Level” and desire for cure https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/ Sat, 05 May 2018 21:22:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: «Уровень функционирование» и желание «лечиться» | Нейроразнообразие в России https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-35286 Sat, 05 May 2018 21:22:13 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-35286 […] (Об авторе: Мелл Беггс — очень явно аутичная неговорящая активистка за права инвалидов и за нейроразнообразие) Источник: ballastexistenz […]

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By: Tacitus https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-10280 Wed, 27 May 2009 19:06:02 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-10280 Marius, most of the people on here are not going to take it very kindly if you suggest that autism is a defect. As far as politeness is concerned, you threw the first stone.

Autism has a history of being wildly oversimplified. It is completely reasonable to propose the opposite to many of the often ill-founded theories that have dominated the history of this diagnostic category.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-10279 Wed, 27 May 2009 00:17:53 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-10279 It is not known for sure, but much scientific evidence points to a different way of processing information, cognitive and perceptual models of autism are the norm at the moment because of stuff that I’m sure you could look up if you had the time.

Meanwhile, I don’t see a lot wrong in people saying things based on how things seem to be from their perspectives as autistic people. As an autistic person I have long observed things about how I see the world that are different from how other peoples say they see the world. Many of those things, according to scientist friends, were later figured out by science. If autistic people had waited for science to start going in that direction before voicing our opinions on the matter, science may never have gone in that direction, or only much later than it did. So I see no harm in saying how I see autism to be, I could be wrong but just because I don’t state the evidence doesn’t mean it’s not there. I don’t go in for beliefs pre-packaged in boxes.

If you’re looking for dogma to complain about though, you probably ought to go somewhere else. I don’t have any kind of claim on absolute truth, I just have opinions, which obviously you do to. That’s what makes it hard to talk to you, you’re assuming too much about how I form my opinions, and it’s difficult to have a conversation with a set of inaccurate assumptions.

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By: Marius Filip https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-10278 Sun, 24 May 2009 15:08:45 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-10278 Gabriel & Tacitus

If you have difficulty with understanding, this is the same thing, in simpler terms:

Pretending there is a fundamentally different wiring in autistics versus non-autistics is nothing else than a ideological dogma without scientific backing whatsoever.

I do not mean there isn’t any difference in the brain between the two. I say that it is not understood in what consists that difference and how pervasive it is.

It may be a chemical inbalance, it may be an excess of neurons, it may be a deficit of neurons, it may be a defect in some particular part of the brain, or it may be the effect of the environment upon susceptible people – it is not known for sure.

And yet, despite this confusion which dominates upon the scientific community, lots of people are so eager to postulate a lot of “truths” about what autism is.

Beyond expressing their own experiences, their testimonies bare little value concerning the neural workings of this brain disorder.

The name calling and the impolite considerations about how I manage my life that I receive from you guys in the stead of meaningful sentences, I shall not discuss.

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By: chaoticidealism https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-10277 Sat, 23 May 2009 22:31:59 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-10277 I think autism affects personality deeply; after all, your outside environment affects your personality, and it’s not even directly connected to your brain! It’s not a personality type, obviously, because autistic people have all sorts of personalities; but I think it wouldn’t make sense to say that who I am now is the same person I would have been if I had been born with a typical brain. I expect that curing autism would affect the personality simply because the brain that stores the personality is now different.

That’s the optimistic view, which could only happen if it left any personality, memories, or skills at all, since all those things were acquired and modified by someone using an Autism operating system. I think it’d be much like trying to run a Windows program on a Mac… it just wouldn’t work. You’d have to format the whole thing and start over.

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By: Tacitus https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-10276 Mon, 11 May 2009 10:24:12 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-10276 Marius is a typical curebie troll, articulating nothing of substance but imagining that by claiming neurodiversity advocates know nothing that we have been impeccably impeached.

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By: Gabriel... https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-10275 Fri, 08 May 2009 11:02:42 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-10275 People like Marius lack the understanding necessary to deal with their own lives, so they bring their ignorance online and become trolls… you’re doing a great job with this site, Amanda. And you’re doing a great job dealing with the trolls.

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By: ballastexistenz https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-10274 Fri, 08 May 2009 01:43:14 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-10274 I have trouble responding to people who insist that I mean something other than what I meant.

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By: Marius Filip https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-10273 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:55:32 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-10273 Dogmatic and circular thinking through and through. You postulate that autistics are fundamentally and incomprehensibly different, then you somehow “prove” that difference.

You emit sentences as if you’ve seen how the neurons are wired in the brain with your own eyes.

You seem to enjoy postulating things: that the brain of an autistic person is wired differently, that autistics differ from neurotypicals as cats differ from dogs, and so on.

Not even the scientists dare to make so many clear-cut statements about autistics vs. non-autistics yet you do it as if you talk about vanilla ice cream vs. strawberry cake.

It is amazing to me that the world knows so little yet you claim to know so much.

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By: Ivan https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2005/06/18/functioning-level-and-desire-for-cure/#comment-10272 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:55:08 +0000 http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=3#comment-10272 I tend to think that autism and personality have some vague relationship……something I don’t have words for…….a cat being changed into a dog wouldn’t even have the same personality because it would be all in terms of dog things not cat things……..

it’s kind of confusing…..

and I don’t want to even think about the invasiveness of changing someone from autistic to non-autistic.

Eurgh. Nuff said.

Ivan

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